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    Carlo
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    I’ve watched Six Feet Under years ago and I might be wrong, so feel free to correct me. Michael C. Hall and Rachel Griffiths in lead doesn’t make any sense IMO.

    I don’t know.
    Hall was more a lead to me.
    Yes, Krause always felt more like THE lead, but David storyline was also very important for the show and he always had a good amount of screentime.
    Especially after the That’s My Dog episode and during season 5 dealing with his brother loss he had such a great presence and gave such a wonderful performance that submitting him in supporting along with real supporting players like Freddy Rodriguez, Mathew St. patrick and James Cromwell wuold have not make sense.

    Rachel Griffiths it’s more difficult to determine.
    For sure she was a supporting player in season 3 (she switched from lead to supporting that year) where she appread briefly due to her real life pregnancy. And also in season 4, the Justin Theroux year, she was like in another show.
    That said I had no problem with her being nominated in lead (she should have won) in 2002, considering her stunning season 2 work with the sex addiction storyline and also in season 5 she would have been a legitimate lead contender – she really was a queen during those final episodes.

    Both should have received more recognition, tha’s sure.

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    Sherlock is a continuing television drama not a movie made for television!

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    Not exactly fraud since the entire cast was supporting but Emma Roberts in supporting for AHS 1984 is so funny since she is the sole undisputed lead.

    Lol, what?! I never knew that. Emma Roberts was as lead as lead can be for that season.

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    I agree that Rachel Griffiths was not lead in SFU. She never was, not even in Series One. Michael C. Hall, however, was always lead, just not as much as Peter Krause, but definetely more than Frances Conroy.

    I disagree that Desperate Housewives is not a comedy. In my opinion, it was always a dramedy and had a lot of comedy in it.

    It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!

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    Desperate Housewives was more of a comedy with dramatic elements.

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    There were years when guest performances were nominated in lead and won such as:

    Ruth Gordon – Lead Actress Comedy for Taxi in 1979
    Christopher Lloyd – Lead Actor Drama for Road To Avonlea in 1992

    Not sure if that would count as fraud or unfortunate timing of not having the Guest or Single Performance categories.

    Also, there were guest performances that were nominated in supporting and won such as:

    Alfre Woodard – Supporting Actress Drama – Hill Street Blues in 1984
    Doris Roberts – Supporting Actress Drama – St. Elsewhere in 1983
    James Coco – Supporting Actor Drama – St. Elsewhere in 1983

    Also, Barbara Babcock won Lead Actress Drama for Hill Street Blues in 1981 and only appeared in 5 to 6 episodes for that season.

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    In Six Feet Under, Griffiths was supporting in season 1, 3 and 4. I would argue that she could have been classified as a lead in seasons 2 and 5. She likely would have won the Emmy if she had stayed supporting for the first two seasons. Her unfortunate tape “The Secret,” also didn’t help matters, as it was centered on her sex addiction and included a threesome. The decision was likely made based on her acting, but it wasn’t wise coming off her Golden Globes win.

    Hall was a lead but he would have won at least once if he had submitted supporting, especially for “A Private Life.” I think the vote splitting helped Chiklis and Janney win in 2002. That year was expected to be close between Six Feet Under and The West Wing, but instead the latter won three out of four acting awards, with the latter only winning director for Ball guest actress for Clarkson.

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    I have a twofer: Tchéky Karyo in the second season of The Missing submitting as a supporting actor in a limited series instead of as a lead in a drama.

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    In Six Feet Under, Griffiths was supporting in season 1, 3 and 4. I would argue that she could have been classified as a lead in seasons 2 and 5. She likely would have won the Emmy if she had stayed supporting for the first two seasons. Her unfortunate tape “The Secret,” also didn’t help matters, as it was centered on her sex addiction and included a threesome. The decision was likely made based on her acting, but it wasn’t wise coming off her Golden Globes win.

    Hall was a lead but he would have won at least once if he had submitted supporting, especially for “A Private Life.” I think the vote splitting helped Chiklis and Janney win in 2002. That year was expected to be close between Six Feet Under and The West Wing, but instead the latter won three out of four acting awards, with the latter only winning director for Ball guest actress for Clarkson.

    Totally agree.
    A Private Life was probably with All Alone their best written episode ever (both written by Kate Robin) and showcased a great performance by Michael c. hall.

    About 2002 submission Griffiths should have probably gone with I’ll Take You. Small screentime but the breakup scene with Nate was their Whitecaps. And by the way Janney won that year for one scene.
    I still find stunning Griffiths arc in season 2.

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    I understood placing Karyo in supporting, as the main mystery surrounded James Nesbitt’s Tony Hughes. I was always disappointed that Nesbitt wasn’t able to get nominated at the Globes or Emmys. His performance was absolutely heartbreaking. I never understood how Frances O’Connor was nominated in lead at the Globes, she was absolutely supporting. The show was renewed for a second season before the Emmys, but I guess they got away with it being a technicality. Karyo was still involved in the second season, but the mystery was different. I’m glad Karyo was able to front his own show, with Baptiste on BBC/PBS. The second season will premiere soon and I’m looking forward to seeing Fiona Shaw in this particular world of corruption. I’m sad to hear it will likely be Baptiste’s last, after two seasons of The Missing and two of Baptiste.

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    I actually said the second season.  His supporting placement in the first was fine and the show’s in limited was less egregious then too.

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    Griffith was pretty much the leading female of season five. But SFU was pretty all over the place with the amount of screen time and importance it gave to its female characters. When I rewatched SFU a couple years ago I realized Griffith was easily the best performed and consistently written character on the show. My overall opinion of SFU has diminished greatly over the years, but it is a bit of a shame none of the cast ever won. And Hall was definitely a co-lead.

    Seasons 4, 5 and 6a were the only seasons Edie Falco was definitely a lead on The Sopranos. I don’t mind her going lead for every season though (it’s arguably the greatest TV performance ever). I don’t even really mind Bracco going lead in the first season. If you look at the first season of The Sopranos, Bracco has a pretty good amount of screen time (the first season is filled to the brim with therapy sessions). So, I’m somewhat cool with her going lead that year, but every season after that she was no where close to lead. Even in season 3, if you take away “Employee of the Month”, she barely had a couple subplots.

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    Because of the flaws with the eligibility rules with the guest categories arguably we have a different category fraud every year. Samira Wiley and Alexis Bledel should be competing in supporting because they’re both part of the main ensemble of The Handmaid’s Tale and in each episode they appear in have a lot of prominence in the overarching plot of their programme. Whilst Emerald Fennell from The Crown and Holly Hunter from Succession are involved with key sub plots of their shows their screen time grants both nothing more than guest roles on their programmes. The TV Academy should base their eligibility rules for the guest categories around screen time (like the Globes do with their lead and supporting categories).

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    I’ve started watching Vida and it being considered a comedy series is the biggest joke.

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