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    In the past 4 years, the shows that have done best at the Emmys have had female leads and/or strong female supporting casts. The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and Veep have dominated the Comedy Emmys for the past 4 years. Game of Thrones (which has a main cast that’s majority female), The Crown, Westworld, and The Americans split the Drama Emmys last year, with The Handmaid’s Tale and Game of Thrones dominating for 3 years before that. The Limited Emmys have had the most heavily male contenders, but even then, 2/4 of the past Miniseries winners have been female-led (Big Little Lies and Olive Kitteridge).

    Over the same time, the Oscars have gone for a film that had a female lead or more than one major female supporting character only once, with Green Book, Moonlight, and Spotlight all being heavily male-dominated.

    It looks like the Emmys are going to continue to reward largely female shows (with Veep and Game of Thrones poised to win this year and Maisel, The Crown, and Big Little Lies looking to continue that next year), but the Oscars seem significantly less likely to go in that direction (with most of the largest Oscar players that people are predicting at this point-Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, The Irishman, Jojo Rabbit, A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood, The Report) being very male.

    So why is it that the Emmys are more open to awarding female-led and female ensemble projects than the Oscars?

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    Heptapod
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    Cause the Emmys have a brain and can recognize quality content. Simple as that.

    (But actually, it’s probably because the Oscars have a much older, more male- and white-dominated voting body that is more set in tradition and bias than the Emmys are. The Emmys really are more open-minded in all ways. If Game of Thrones (high fantasy) and Stranger Things (nostalgia sci-fi featuring kids in most of the main roles) had been films, would the Oscars have recognized them? Hell no! The Emmy body is much more open to new and fresh concepts and are thus more susceptible to the shifting of the public perspective.)

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    jjjmoss
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    the main cast of GoT S8 is 8/22 female which is 36%, not a majority by any means

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    lacourseauxetoiles
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    the main cast of GoT S8 is 8/22 female which is 36%, not a majority by any means

    I was referring to a much smaller group of characters as the main cast (Jon, Dany, Sansa, Arya, Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion), but that’s fair. Still, my overall point was that it has a large number of female cast members with good roles, which is something that no Best Picture-winner since 12 Years a Slave can even try to claim.

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    What female lead movie has been worthy of winning an Oscar?

    For Your Emmy Consideration: Best Comedy Series Sex Education, Comedy Lead Actor Asa Butterfield, Comedy Supporting Actress Guillian Anderson, Drama Supporting Actress Miranda Otto for The Chilling Adventure of Sabrina.

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    Off the top of my from the past five years

    – Clouds of Sils Maria; Gone Girl; Belle; Wild; Carol; Inside Out; Tangerine; Brooklyn; Girlhood; Mad Max Fury Road; Spy; Arrival; Lemonade; Edge of Seventeen; Moana; Jackie; Hidden Figures; Lady Bird; Girls Trip; Wonder Woman; The Last Jedi; I, Tonya; A Fantastic Woman; Florida Project; Professor Marston and the Wonder Women; The Shape of Water; A Star Is Born; Roma; The Hate U Give; The Favourite; Widows; Eighth Grade; Us; Wild Rose

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    lacourseauxetoiles
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    What female lead movie has been worthy of winning an Oscar?

    In the past 4 years, Roma, The Favourite, and A Star Is Born were overlooked in favor of Green Book (along with If Beale Street Could Talk, Can You Ever Forgive Me, Leave No Trace, Eighth Grade, and Cold War, which weren’t even nominated), La La Land, Arrival, and Hidden Figures were overlooked in favor of Moonlight (along with Jackie, which wasn’t even nominated), and Mad Max: Fury Road, Room, and Brooklyn were overlooked in favor of Spotlight (along with Carol, which wasn’t even nominated). Good and great female-led movies lose Oscars all of the time to predominately male projects. Sometimes those male projects are good winners like Moonlight, but they still beat female projects all of the time.

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    Seven
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    I will never understand why the Oscars are so reluctant to reward female-led movies outside of the acting categories. As far as I know, All About Eve, Terms of Endearment and Chicago are the only movies with multiple female leads to win Best Picture. THREE movies in 90 years of history. Yikes

    I’m really longing for a Best Picture winner with a strong female cast. But a movie like Handmaid’s Tale or BLL winning the top prize still sounds unrealistic in 2019.

    No matter how annoying she may be, Miss Chastain made POINTS when she posted this

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    Honey
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    Wow so women also win the same acting Oscars with less dialogue?

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    Out of these, only Shakespeare in Love and Million Dollar Baby won in the Lead Actress category + a supporting win for 12 Years A Slave

    so not really

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    Honey
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    out of these, half of these didn’t get a best actor nom either.

    (Titanic, Shakespeare in Love, Lord of the Ring, Crash, The departed, No Country for Old Men, Slumdog Millionaire, Argo, Spotlight)

    and then out of all of these only wins,

    Best actor – Gladiator, Kings Speech
    Best Supporting actor – MDB, No Country for Old Men

    Versus

    Best Actress – Shakespeare in Love, MDB
    Best Supporting Actress – The English Patient, Shakespeare in Love, Beautiful Mind, 12YAS

    Add in Chicago and The Artist and the bp winners have around the same number winners in lead acting and supporting wins for each gender.

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    lacourseauxetoiles
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    The acting winners aren’t the point though. The point is that there are significantly fewer prominent female characters than prominent male characters in Best Picture-winners.

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    the main cast of GoT S8 is 8/22 female which is 36%, not a majority by any means

    the main cast are Daenerys, Jon, Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, Sansa and Arya.

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    Honey
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    The acting winners aren’t the point though. The point is that there are significantly fewer prominent female characters than prominent male characters in Best Picture-winners.

    oh please, we have had 21 threads about best actress last year, y’all dont give that much shit about what wins best picture, cuz we will all shit on the new bp winners annually.

    Rinse and repeat.

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    lacourseauxetoiles
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    oh please, we have had 21 threads about best actress last year, y’all dont give that much shit about what wins best picture, cuz we will all shit on the new bp winners annually. Rinse and repeat.

    I really don’t understand this post. Are you saying that I shouldn’t be talking about this because Best Picture is an unimportant Oscar?

    Cause the Emmys have a brain and can recognize quality content. Simple as that. (But actually, it’s probably because the Oscars have a much older, more male- and white-dominated voting body that is more set in tradition and bias than the Emmys are. The Emmys really are more open-minded in all ways. If Game of Thrones (high fantasy) and Stranger Things (nostalgia sci-fi featuring kids in most of the main roles) had been films, would the Oscars have recognized them? Hell no! The Emmy body is much more open to new and fresh concepts and are thus more susceptible to the shifting of the public perspective.)

    That’s definitely a good point. The Emmys also reacted to the complaints about them being too white before the Oscars did, with Viola Davis, Uzo Aduba, Reg E. Cathy, and Regina King all winning Emmys while the Oscars found a way to not even nominate any nonwhite actors for the second year in a row.

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