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    Game of Thrones has inexplicably been terrible at getting guest acting nominations. For Season 1, Charles Dance wasn’t even submitted for his baity and perfectly acted performance as Tywin Lannister. Similarly, Jack Gleeson wasn’t submitted for Season 4 despite being eligible, Conleth Hill wasn’t submitted for Season 5 despite being eligible, Iain Glenn wasn’t submited for Season 6 despite being eligible, and Carice van Houten wasn’t submitted for Season 7 despite being eligible. And there are plenty of other great contenders from outside of the main cast like David Bradley and Pedro Pascal, who both missed despite extremely buzzed-about performances that were the centerpieces of the season and had no internal competition. Instead, the only guest performances that have ever been nominated for Game of Thrones are Max von Sydow (who got nominated mainly because he is Max von Sydow) and Diana Rigg. So, why has Game of Thrones been so bad at getting guest acting nominations compared to shows like The Good Wife, House of Cards, This Is Us, Scandal, and Masters of Sex that the Emmys have liked significantly less, and why has HBO not even submitted several contenders who should have been easy nominations or possibly even wins?

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    Mukund
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    Gleeson was not eligible for guest. The main problem is them not submitting people. The only real snub I can think of is Pedro Pascal for S4. I think they got all their submissions nominated in guest for S5-7.

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    HBO’s biggest mistake was not putting Indira Varma on the ballot for S7. Not saying she would have been a lock for a nomination, but she deserved to be on that ballot; she was terrific in  “The Queen’s Justice.”

    Emmys 2019 FYC: Lena Headey ("Game of Thrones"), Cicely Tyson ("HTGAWM"), Viola Davis ("HTGAWM"), Richard Madden ("Bodyguard"), "Bodyguard," "The Haunting of Hill House" & "Escape at Dannemora" in all categories

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    Gleeson was not eligible for guest. The main problem is them not submitting people. The only real snub I can think of is Pedro Pascal for S4. I think they got all their submissions nominated in guest for S5-7.

    You’re right, Gleeson was before the rules change (which was why Pascal was eligible). But I just don’t know why they haven’t submitted people. Charles Dance would have won the category in 2011 if he had been. David Bradley should have easily been able to make it in in 2013. There was definitely enough support for Game of Thrones for Tobias Menzies to get nominated in 2016 alongside Max von Sydow. So why didn’t HBO even try to get them nominated?

    HBO’s biggest mistake was not putting Indira Varma on the ballot for S7. Not saying she would have been a lock for a nomination, but she deserved to be on that ballot; she was terrific in “The Queen’s Justice.”

    That’s another one I forgot. So essentially, HBO’s biggest problem is not submitting guest actors. Why haven’t they been doing that, especially in years like 2011 where they actually submitted no one from the show despite the show having a win-worthy guest performance from a high-profile actor (Dance not even being submitted for Season 1 makes absolutely no sense).

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    HBO’s biggest mistake was not putting Indira Varma on the ballot for S7.

    That was obviously to maximize Rigg’s chances of winning.

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    I don’t think Varma would have taken away votes tbh.

    Emmys 2019 FYC: Lena Headey ("Game of Thrones"), Cicely Tyson ("HTGAWM"), Viola Davis ("HTGAWM"), Richard Madden ("Bodyguard"), "Bodyguard," "The Haunting of Hill House" & "Escape at Dannemora" in all categories

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    Because they have their favorites and they don’t want those favorites to split votes with the “lessor” contenders. Also, they don’t realize the number of episodes is important. For example, I have a theory that Jamie will die in the next episode, if this turns out to be true he would be a non-event in the Supporting Actor category. However, that is the only place they can submit him because they stupidly had him appear at the end of the premiere for mere seconds. A similar thing happened with Carice van Houten in one of the latter seasons (6 or 7, I’m not sure) where she could have been eligible but they had her in an episode for really briefly and there went her chances.

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    That explains some of their decisions, but not other, such as Charles Dance not being submitted for Season 1 and Conleth Hill not being submitted for Season 5 when HBO instead chose to submit no one in Guest Actor those years.

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    Ciarán Hinds has not been mentioned, so I will add that he was submitted and snubbed as Mance Rayder in the third season.

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    That’s fair. He didn’t have much to do that season, so I can’t blame them for snubbing him. Do you know if David Bradley was submitted for that season?

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    He was not, nor was Richard Madden for the Red Wedding.  Neither Maisie Williams nor Sophie Turner were submitted back then either.  Also worth noting that no guests were submitted for the first two seasons. It is remarkable that a guest has never self-submitted for this show because that kind of thing happens all the time and variably results in nominations, most infamously with Kelly Jenrette. Natalie Dormer and Carice van Houten self-submitted in supporting for years.

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    Because the guest names aren’t as big as Shirley Knight, Alfre Woodard, or Margo Martindale?

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    He was not, nor was Richard Madden for the Red Wedding. Neither Maisie Williams nor Sophie Turner were submitted back then either. Also worth noting that no guests were submitted for the first two seasons. It is remarkable that a guest has never self-submitted for this show because that kind of thing happens all the time and variably results in nominations, most infamously with Kelly Jenrette. Natalie Dormer and Carice van Houten self-submitted in supporting for years.

    I can understand not submitting Madden, Williams, and Turner just because of how much internal competition there was in the main categories and because they were young actors who hadn’t done much outside of the show. But what possible reason could there be for them submitting no one in guest for the first 2 seasons? Charles Dance would have been an easy win for Season 1 (that he might have been able to translate into a nomination in supporting for Season 2) and Donald Sumpter could have easily gotten nominated for Season 2.

    Because the guest names aren’t as big as Shirley Knight, Alfre Woodard, or Margo Martindale?

    Maybe not, but Charles Dance, David Bradley, Tobias Menzies, Clive Russell, and other decently well-known actors weren’t even submitted, and plenty of actors who are lower-profile than them get nominated all of the time.

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    The fact that Charles Dance was never nominated is a tragedy. I agree that this show should’ve dominated the guest categories. Now that the number of episodes this season is shortened, it means that lots of actors probably aren’t gonna be eligible

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    I know she wasn’t guest in any of the seasons (could’ve been but dumb & dumber decided not to bring her back) but since we are talking about HBO’s inability to get their cast members nominated, talk about the tragedy of her not winning for season 3

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