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November 4, 2015 at 11:03 am #364490
The last time Fox had an overnight hit on its hands was “Glee,” which rode the ratings train high for a few seasons. Then, everyone got bored with it and the show crashed back down to earth — hard. Will “Empire” follow a similar trajectory, or will its ratings continue to rise like “The Walking Dead”?November 4, 2015 at 11:16 am #364492
It will go more on a Scandal route. It won’t crash but rise a while and then have a slow decline into nothingness and utter despair.November 4, 2015 at 11:56 am #364493
fuck the ratings, i want the writers to bring back the FIRE that they had last season…I mean WTF happend people….November 4, 2015 at 11:57 am #364494
Empire will always be very popular, but I think its 1st season was a phenomenon, and quite the success story.However, there’s no way a show could last burning through plot at that quick of a pace.
Pundits everywhere predicted its 2nd season would slow down, as I’m sure the creators and writers did as well. Season 2 started off as a continuation of the high speed antics of the 1st season, but its since taken a different pace and style.
I hope they include some more character development at the expense of some of the riduclous plotting. I think that’s the only way it can sustain itself!November 4, 2015 at 12:12 pm #364495
It won’t crash like Glee because it’s different from Glee in one important respect; the cast isn’t going anywhere. Glee had to graduate its students, and most of the show’s fans didn’t accept “the new Rachel,” “the new Quinn,” and so on, in place of the old ones (which is probably why they kept finding excuses to have the old cast returning to Lima). The White Shadow had the same problem in its day.November 4, 2015 at 12:26 pm #364496
Glee was not quite an overnight hit. Its initial fall run was merely decent, averaging only a 3.3 rating. It was a bona fide hit when it came back in the spring (4.9) and for its second season (4.7), then sunk in its third (3.0) and continued in its later years (2.2, 1.2, 0.7).
"I don't even believe in god, but I'm going to thank her tonight."November 4, 2015 at 1:23 pm #364497
Walking Dead being on cable was an advantage (which is want Scream Queens could’ve benefitted from) while Glee was literally given the start it could have (2009 American Idol Finale as a lead in = 29 MILLION VIEWERS / 16.1 / 27 share)
Off Topic: but something ive always wondered, how did glee suffeer such a large declien from season 2 to 3. The S2 finale was a little bittersweet but apart from that I can’t really think of anything elseNovember 4, 2015 at 2:23 pm #364498
Empire never had the critical buzz that Glee did. Empire will probably be more like Scandal, it will keep doing good in the ratings, but nobody will really talk about it in a year.
Give Paul Thomas Anderson an Oscar.November 4, 2015 at 2:36 pm #364499
“Scandal” is the best analogy for it. “Empire” won’t implode like “Glee” or ascend like “The Walking Dead.” Let’s hope it didn’t peak in season 1. That would be sad. Just don’t drag out the show unnecessarily, Fox.November 4, 2015 at 2:39 pm #364500
Yeah I think Scandal is the more logical route. Scandal as in from season 2 and then the drop in both quality and fun to season 3/4/5. To me, it’s already there, I haven’t been as impressed with this season as I was with the first. And by “impressed” I don’t mean quality, because it was never all that, I just mean fun. I’m not loving it as much. Of course there’s room for improvement, we’re seeing this in the first few episodes of season 2 not all the way in season 3 for Scandal when there really was no turning back.November 4, 2015 at 2:56 pm #364501
Glee and Empire are incomparable except for the fact that people sing and it is on FOX. Glee had tons of success from covering popular music that already exists while Empire does for the most part original music. Also Glee had a more relatable storyline with its teenage audience while Empire is only relatable on the aspects of family and the music industry. But yeah I think it will be regarded with Scandal with a massive viewership but maybe only some acting nominations at award shows.November 4, 2015 at 3:50 pm #364503
Yeah, towards the Scandal route but with more improvement whereas in Scandal the storylines are more of a bait and switch. The difference with Empire is that it actually knows it is a soap opera, while Glee and Scandal tried to be something else more “important”, but wound up being silly in later seasons. Glee was great for the first two seasons and then the quality went down.
I disagree I didnt actually think that season 2 as a whole didnt work but did have some fantastic episodes (Cheesus, Duets, Substiture, COmeback, BIOTA, BTW, NY)
but i actually think season three is the best one, all episodes were great and cohesive, focus on real issues and works as a stand alone season and individual episodes. Honestly Glee season 3 (and season 5 part 2 / season 6 to a certain extent) is really underrattedNovember 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm #364504
Off Topic: but something ive always wondered, how did glee suffeer such a large declien from season 2 to 3. The S2 finale was a little bittersweet but apart from that I can’t really think of anything else
I was actually part of the viewer exodus at the start of the third season. The first three episodes of the third season averaged a 3.8 rating. Although this was down from the past season’s average, it was even with the show’s 3.8 spring run, as the show lost some viewers over the second season who probably only popped in temporarily for the Super Bowl or to see what the hype was about. After the first three episodes of the third season, the show went on hiatus for almost a month and came back to just a 3.0 rating. A lot of people say that Glee started great and quickly lost its way, but I think that those people are trying to rewrite history. Glee was always a wildly inconsistent show, even within each episode and something like that can only be tolerable for so long. Still, I had already put in two years, so the show had enough goodwill to prove itself with a new season, as between seasons is often when the powers that be make fixes.
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