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    Emmy Rule Changes: Dramas and Comedies No Longer Determined By Length – Variety

    Comedy/Drama splits

    Categorization based on program length for a comedy or drama series has been eliminated. Episode length will no longer dictate submission categories. Instead, producers will now determine category submission with the stipulation that the Television Academy’s Industry Panel reserves the right to review the producer’s preference. Comedy and drama series are defined as programs with multiple episodes (minimum of six) in which the content is primarily comedic for comedy series entries or primarily dramatic for dramatic series entries. In addition, the ongoing theme, storyline and main characters are presented under the same title and have continuity of production supervision. The exception is programming under 20 minutes, which must be submitted in short-form categories.”

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    The Academy has further clarified that a limited series’ “story arc must be completely resolved within its season, with no on-going storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons,” and that “subsequent seasons of a limited series must cover completely new ground, requiring no knowledge of the events of the previous season.”

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    And yes I know I spelt clarifications wrong in the title. Can I edit titles?

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    And yes I know I spelt clarifications wrong in the title. Can I edit titles?

    Yes. Click on EDIT on your first (original) post and at the top will be the option to change the title

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    The Comedy/Drama change is hilarious given that the whole reason they went to the hour/half-hour rule in the first place is because of how much category fraud studios were attempting

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    Yes. Click on EDIT on your first (original) post and at the top will be the option to change the title

    Why thankyou.

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    Assuming category changes cannot be made retrospectively?

    My guess would be the most susceptible titles to this benefiting would arguably the somewhat lighter and/or family programming…. Disney+ stuff, a certain type of light procedural (this might actually help networks) and maybe stuff that straddles that kind of supernatural/horror and comedy line that would really struggle in drama.

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    The Comedy/Drama change is hilarious given that the whole reason they went to the hour/half-hour rule in the first place is because of how much category fraud studios were attempting

    I think it shows the evolution of the television format. We’ve seen dramedies and comedies with dramatic elements opt for the 45-60 minute format (like Sex Education) but at the same time we’re seeing more and more dramas opt for a 30 minute run time with how much creative flexibility there is in television nowadays.

    Sure there still is a half hour comedy and an hour long drama but run time just isn’t as definitive for a show’s genre as it used to be.

    FYC:

    "The Good Fight" and "The Other Two" in all categories.

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    I think it shows the evolution of the television format. We’ve seen dramedies and comedies with dramatic elements opt for the 45-60 minute format (like Sex Education) but at the same time we’re seeing more and more dramas opt for a 30 minute run time with how much creative flexibility there is in television nowadays.

    Kind of but it was arguably the beginning of that evolution that was the beginning of the change. It wasn’t like runtime was a definitive when they changed it. It was just because they were panicking about stuff like Orange is the New Black managing to pretend to be comedy. Personally I think we may see more frauds returning with this change.

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    Kind of but it was arguably the beginning of that evolution that was the beginning of the change. It wasn’t like runtime was a definitive when they changed it. It was just because they were panicking about stuff like Orange is the New Black managing to pretend to be comedy. Personally I think we may see more frauds returning with this change.

    Possible. But at the same time at least it gives the academy more power to crack down on a half hour like the third season of Master of None frauding itself in comedy and less to move something like On Becoming a God in Central Florida or Sex Education to drama for really no reason other than them being hour long comedies with an exploration of serious subject matters in some sub-plots.

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    "The Good Fight" and "The Other Two" in all categories.

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    Possible. But at the same time at least it gives the academy more power to crack down on a half hour like the third season of Master of None frauding itself in comedy and less to move something like On Becoming a God in Central Florida or Sex Education to drama for really no reason other than them being hour long comedies with an exploration of serious subject matters in some sub-plots.

    I guess I’m more concerned about the potential frauds of actual contenders rather than shows that wouldn’t have gotten nominated in either category. Master of None is also the kind of show that would be even more likely to get away with being comedy under the new system as it’s producers would simply say that’s where it had been before for seasons 1 and 2.
    Whilst I didn’t like the half-hour/hour rule, it at least made it harder for shows to pick their category purely based on awards prospects as there was already a delineated category for it based on runtime. I can already see us getting lots of drama-leaning dramedies going comedy now and potentially taking slots away from shows that are actually funny. At least with the current system, the worst that could happen was the odd longer comedy unfairly having to stay in Drama. Fringe pure comedies like The Other Two stand even less of a chance if we get a wave of dramas frauding into comedy just because they’re a bit lighter. This was something that those shows never really could have done on the existing system as so few dramas are half-hours.

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    Kind of but it was arguably the beginning of that evolution that was the beginning of the change. It wasn’t like runtime was a definitive when they changed it. It was just because they were panicking about stuff like Orange is the New Black managing to pretend to be comedy. Personally I think we may see more frauds returning with this change.

    It’s already starting

    Oscars FYC:

    "Lamb" – International Feature and all categories

    "Summer of Soul" – Picture, Film Editing and Documentary Feature

    “The Green Knight” – in all categories

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    I knew it. So potentially worrying given the Emmys’ current penchant for going for shows that are the most visible as well. Something like The Boys feels like it always would have gone Comedy if the rules hadn’t been there.

    Just going through new late 2021 and upcoming releases this would be my guess on most probable effected (presuming it’s not retrospective) and yeah you’re right, it’s largely moving things to comedy and not the other way around:

    My read on the shows this potentially effects immediately is:

    Most Disney shows (if Hawkeye is comedy, arguably almost anything is)

    The Boys-spinoff (Prime) – not beneficial for them against the Boys to run in drama and listed as comedy

    Cowboy Bebop (Netflix) – obviously cancelled but listed on IMDB as a comedy and having seen parts I’d say more appropriately than Hawkeye. Already SAG in drama though.

    The Chair (Netflix) -could easily be argued a drama but probably wouldn’t change because Oh would be competing against herself. Already SAG in comedy though.

    Good Omens (Prime) – has to move from limited anyway but is too long for half hour (not out til 2023 apparently anyway)

    Wednesday (Netflix) – hour long comedy that probably would have successfully appealed anyway as it’s using Addams Family IP (I think this is a Halloween release)

    I’ve not seen it but I’d say Chucky for Syfy probably moves to comedy too ?

     

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    I’ve not seen it but I’d say Chucky for Syfy probably moves to comedy too ?

    I watched Chucky and I think it would be easily accepted in either category.

    (By the way, I recommend it, it’s quite fun)

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    Would dramas with less than 6 episodes automatically go back to limited now?

    FYC:

    "The Good Fight" and "The Other Two" in all categories.

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