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    Labyrinth
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    It’s a shame Holly Taylor was never nominated for her work on The Americans

    Right?? The actresses of The Americans were constantly snubbed for nominations and wins.

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    Right?? The actresses of The Americans were constantly snubbed for nominations and wins.

    At least Alison Wright got the nomination but Taylor and Mahendru were so robbed.

    Oscars FYC:
    "THE POWER OF THE DOG" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "SPENCER" – In all categories especially Director (Pablo Larrain) and Actress (Kristen Stewart)
    "SHIVA BABY" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "TOGETHER" – Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "FLEE" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "LAST NIGHT IN SOHO" – Director (Edgar Wright), S. Actress (Anya Taylor-Joy/Diana Rigg), Cinematography, Costume Design and Production Design

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    I started following the emmys in 2017, and reading through posts in goldderby recently, there has been talk of “under the old system or in the current system” if anyone can kindly explain how emmy noms and winners were decided before they switched to the new system, how did it work and how did it disadvantage some performance- I read somewhere that Under the current system, Sandra Oh would have won for greys Anatomy.

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    Basically, till 2014, all winners were selected by panels of volunteers, who watched episodes chosen by the nominees to represent their work. The number varied (usually a small amount) depending on different categories and you could only vote in like 2-3 categories at most. For most of the categories, the voters ranked the nominees in order of preference so the concept of vote-splitting was virtually non-existent. An additional nominee was seen as a boon rather than a hindrance for a show. This is what is known as the old system. Since voters would usually judge a performance based on a single episode, which we call the tape, the people with more baity, loud and dominant work would win over more subtle ones. Having a bad submission would basically kill your chance even if you were the presumed frontrunner.

    In 2015, they did away with the panels in general and everyone could vote in all categories from their specialisation and the program categories. The ranked ballot was still kept though.

    They went to popular vote in 2016, where you just vote for the nominee you’d like to prevail. The rest was carried over from 2015. This is what basically constitutes the new system and gave rise to the concept of ‘vote-splitting’.

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    Basically, till 2014, all winners were selected by panels of volunteers, who watched episodes chosen by the nominees to represent their work. The number varied (usually a small amount) depending on different categories and you could only vote in like 2-3 categories at most. For most of the categories, the voters ranked the nominees in order of preference so the concept of vote-splitting was virtually non-existent. An additional nominee was seen as a boon rather than a hindrance for a show. This is what is known as the old system. Since voters would usually judge a performance based on a single episode, which we call the tape, the people with more baity, loud and dominant work would win over more subtle ones. Having a bad submission would basically kill your chance even if you were the presumed frontrunner. In 2015, they did away with the panels in general and everyone could vote in all categories from their specialisation and the program categories. The ranked ballot was still kept though. They went to popular vote in 2016, where you just vote for the nominee you’d like to prevail. The rest was carried over from 2015. This is what basically constitutes the new system and gave rise to the concept of ‘vote-splitting’.

    Thanks

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    At least Alison Wright got the nomination but Taylor and Mahendru were so robbed.

    And even then Wright’s nomination was for a very small guest role in season 5 rather than her sublime work in seasons 3 and 4. But hey, at least Margo Martindale has two emmys for eating dinner and talking with Frank Langella (who also should’ve been nominated).

    FYC: The Underground Railroad, Barry Jenkins, The Crown, Tobias Menzies, Helena Bonham Carter, Emily In Paris(for chaos’s sake)

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    with Frank Langella (who also should’ve been nominated).

    *won

    Oscars FYC:
    "THE POWER OF THE DOG" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "SPENCER" – In all categories especially Director (Pablo Larrain) and Actress (Kristen Stewart)
    "SHIVA BABY" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "TOGETHER" – Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "FLEE" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "LAST NIGHT IN SOHO" – Director (Edgar Wright), S. Actress (Anya Taylor-Joy/Diana Rigg), Cinematography, Costume Design and Production Design

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    In 2015, they did away with the panels in general and everyone could vote in all categories from their specialisation and the program categories. The ranked ballot was still kept though

    I’m also quite new here and I have a doubt. So under the new system the performances aren’t judged by a single tape?

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    And even then Wright’s nomination was for a very small guest role in season 5 rather than her sublime work in seasons 3 and 4

    While we’re at it let’s also mention Lois Smith and Dylan Baker’s phenomenal guest performances.

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    Man talking about The Americans is just the most fun being on this website has ever been.

    FYC: The Underground Railroad, Barry Jenkins, The Crown, Tobias Menzies, Helena Bonham Carter, Emily In Paris(for chaos’s sake)

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    Man talking about The Americans is just the most fun being on this website has ever been.

    Is there an existing page for The Americans?

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    Alison Wright the supporting actress performance of the decade?

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    Alison Wright the supporting actress performance of the decade?

    I’d argue Holly Taylor from the same show is better, but Wright is great too. Rhea Seehorn also deserves talk for best of the decade, even if her best season was in 2020.

    FYC: The Underground Railroad, Barry Jenkins, The Crown, Tobias Menzies, Helena Bonham Carter, Emily In Paris(for chaos’s sake)

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    While the talk on The Americans is going on, I’ll say that it’s sad Russell didn’t win even once.
    2018 could very well have been a four way tie between:-
    -Claire Foy (The Crown)
    -Elisabeth Moss (The Handmaid’s Tale)
    -Sandra Oh (Killing Eve)
    -Keri Russell (The Americans)

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    What do you guys have in the series runner up position (aka directing spoiler if The Crown splits)?

    Although I don’t see The Crown losing in any case, I agree with Luca that THT is in my opinion the runners up because of renewed enthusiasm. Added to that,it has a huge visibility (Nielsen Ratings have put it in no.2 for 2 weeks and in top 10 since it aired), massive acting branch support (10 noms!!!) which Mandalorian lacks. Moreover it’s kind of universally agreed that The Mandalorian is not “THE” sci-fi genre TV show of the year (that belongs to WandaVision), just like last year it was universally agreed that Watchmen is “THE” sci-fi show over Mandalorian.

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