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  • kat_ebbs
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    he drama series nomination though? Lol. The fact that this is the only season of a teen drama alongside Stranger Things (which isn’t even much of a YA show) to get a drama series nomination when there have been so many YA shows over the past 25 to 30 years that have deserved that kind of recognition (including the first season of this show itself) is comical.

    This is how I feel, to be honest (and for the record I’d classify Stranger Things as more of a family show). I’m not quite as low on Euphoria as you are (I thought it was entertaining, but I agree it’s exploitative and a lot of elements left a lot to be desired) but it really does frustrate me that this is the only teen drama to get a nomination in years – I don’t think it’s a decision that will age well.

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    adriandecker770
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    I finally caught up with season 2 and honestly whilst I do have a lot of thoughts about how I felt about it, I don’t even think it warrants such a long or detailed review. What a repulsive, exploitative and regressive season of television (and I liked season 1). That being said Zendaya and Domingo really did deserve the Emmy recognition they both received (especially the latter who is by far the stronger winner we’ve had in that category under this voting system) and I was actually quite struck by how much I appreciated “Stand Still Like the Hummingbird” as a standalone creative endeavour considering how loathsome the rest of the season was and how much I disliked the, at times cartoonish, direction most of these characters went towards this season after having much more grounded and naturally flowing arcs in season 1. The drama series nomination though? Lol. The fact that this is the only season of a teen drama alongside Stranger Things (which isn’t even much of a YA show) to get a drama series nomination when there have been so many YA shows over the past 25 to 30 years that have deserved that kind of recognition (including the first season of this show itself) is comical.

    I can’t think of another show where the gap in quality is so severe from episode to episode. It was hard for me to believe Stand Still was from the same season of television. I feel like the actors consistently kill with pretty lackluster material. Even Sydney Sweeney’s nomination I thought was deserved, considering how hard she went with the character’s cartoonish arc, but I really feel the actors are the only thing that deserves to be recognized here.

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    I can’t think of another show where the gap in quality is so severe from episode to episode. It was hard for me to believe Stand Still was from the same season of television. I feel like the actors consistently kill with pretty lackluster material. Even Sydney Sweeney’s nomination I thought was deserved, considering how hard she went with the character’s cartoonish arc, but I really feel the actors are the only thing that deserves to be recognized here.

    Yeah, I don’t have an issue with the performances. I quite like Sweeney here though I get that it’s divisive. It’s memorable. The series nomination though mostly rubs me up the wrong way when contemporaries like the better seasons of Sex Education can’t make it in to comedy and The Fallout couldn’t even make it in to TV Movie.

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    Jacob "Oscar Boy" Boe
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    I know you said you didn’t wanna go into it because you don’t think it warrants it, but considering that there’s renewed conversation, I was wondering if you would actually elaborate wolfali. Maybe kat_ebbs and adrian_decker770 (who by the way I’ve been loving your posts, you are a welcome addition to GoldDerby) could as well. I’ve seen many on the site disparage this season, with the word ‘exploitative’ being thrown around a lot. But I just don’t get it. The pacing and characterization was definitely off this season, but it still had everything else that made the first season great: amazing performances, terrific visuals, entertaining story, etc. It really wasn’t a bad season of television; it was actually very good.

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    I’ve seen many on the site disparage this season, with the word ‘exploitative’ being thrown around a lot. But I just don’t get it. The pacing and characterization was definitely off this season, but it still had everything else that made the first season great: amazing performances, terrific visuals, entertaining story, etc. It really wasn’t a bad season of television; it was actually very good.

    I mostly feel it’s very uneven.

    Visually I like the show. I think the episodes are very uneven writing wise and I think the acting ranges from very good to average (This is a show I’d be more happy seeing individual acting noms for than group ones). I don’t like how little certain actors were used this season (most specifically Hunter, who I think has the most interesting stuff to mine).

    I have a lot of issues with the way Sweeney is shot and written, but the best way to say it is a that is not done to appeal to the target audience, it’s done to appeal to middle age men who like the idea of teenagers a bit too much, which I find exploitative (I can, however, appreciate she is over-age, but she is a fairly early-career actress who unlike Zendaya doesn’t have a producing credit). That’s also not projection, it’s experience – the vulgar stuff I’ve heard from the mouths of (some) grown men in real life makes me feel icky about it.

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    I know you said you didn’t wanna go into it because you don’t think it warrants it, but considering that there’s renewed conversation, I was wondering if you would actually elaborate wolfali. Maybe kat_ebbs and adrian_decker770 (who by the way I’ve been loving your posts, you are a welcome addition to GoldDerby) could as well. I’ve seen many on the site disparage this season, with the word ‘exploitative’ being thrown around a lot. But I just don’t get it. The pacing and characterization was definitely off this season, but it still had everything else that made the first season great: amazing performances, terrific visuals, entertaining story, etc. It really wasn’t a bad season of television; it was actually very good.

    Thanks, I’ve honestly been looking for a place like this to discuss TV for years and I’m really excited to be here!

    I think Kat definitely summed up a lot of my issues, it’s a similar issue I have with some of Game of Thrones (although obviously different since Game of Thrones doesn’t involve minors) but a lot of the sex scenes do feel like they’re peppered in because this is an HBO show and as Kat said, to appeal to older men. And I’m not anti sex scene, I think there are plenty of good shows that use their sex scenes in smart and fun ways. I also heard this rumour that Barbie Ferreira’s plotline was cut from Season 2 because she refused to do sex scenes, but I haven’t been able to find anything to substantiate that so maybe it’s false, but that definitely contributed to my feeling of it being exploitative.

    Beyond that, for me, I should say I also wasn’t a huge fan of Season 1, but it definitely felt a lot more cohesive. Compared to other shows on this level (ie. prestige, smart, artful), the show feels a bit haphazard to me. Plots feel kind of random. There are plenty of shows that have lots of disparate threads but still manage to have cohesive character arcs and themes, but I’m not really sure what Euphoria is about or what the take away is. Generally Rue’s plotline is what keeps me watching and feels the most solid, but even this felt a bit strange to me.

    I liked Hummingbird, but part of my enjoyment was feeling like it shattered the status quo. After it, beyond Rue being separated from the rest of the cast, I really thought her disastrous actions would have more consequences, but she seems able to walk away with ease. Maybe they’re saving this for Season 3, but I felt like a lot of Season 1 plotlines were dropped so I’m not particularly confident. The season ends with this moment of clarity and seemingly emotional growth for Rue that didn’t feel earned to me, and I thought having Lexi’s play as the climax of the season didn’t really make sense to me.

    The other characters’ plotlines also didn’t work for me. I didn’t understand the direction for Cassie’s storyline. Sydney Sweeney killed the performance, but it almost felt like they didn’t know what to do with her. Possibly they wanted her to hit rock bottom, possibly they wanted to explore romantic obsession, but it just felt one note throughout the season. Cassie is obsessed with Nate, Nate clearly doesn’t care about her, and she’s just going to keep doing more horrible things until this reaches a boiling point. I just didn’t understand the point of her arc.

    I also am really not a fan of the plotline for Cal, particularly this idea (which I think originates from Freudian psychology) of homophobic men being secretly gay, which isn’t true and for me tries to make homophobia seem like this internal problem rather than a societal one. I’ve seen Cal’s plotline many times before and I felt like I knew exactly where it was going. I also feel like it’s trying to suggest that sleeping with trans women is like, a stepping stone for embracing his attraction to men which I find uncomfortable, tired, and frustrating for a multitude of reasons. And like Rue and Cassie, his plotline also feels like it’s floating in thin air and disconnected, narratively and thematically, from the rest of the season, which for me is the largest step down in quality between Seasons 1 and 2.

    In the end, I’m definitely not saying you’re bad for liking the show, I’m glad you enjoy it, but for me these are the reasons this season didn’t work for me. I still watched the whole thing, mainly because I liked the performances a lot and Levinson definitely has an eye for pretty and creative cinematography, so I’m glad you’re able to enjoy it, but it feels like on a completely different level to the other drama nominees, and other teen dramas.

    Also, sorry if I get any details about the show wrong, I haven’t thought about it too much since it aired back in February.

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    Jacob "Oscar Boy" Boe
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    Thank you both. I totally caught it being uneven throughout the season (I think most did), and I knew many had problems with the nudity, but I didn’t put it together that people had a problem with it because of grown men. Maybe on a rewatch it will be more glaring to me.

    Also, even though I liked it, I totally agree that it’s definitely not on the same level as the other drama nominees, or other teen shows. I watched the nomination announcements live and laughed when it was mentioned for Drama Series.

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    I mostly feel it’s very uneven. Visually I like the show. I think the episodes are very uneven writing wise and I think the acting ranges from very good to average (This is a show I’d be more happy seeing individual acting noms for than group ones). I don’t like how little certain actors were used this season (most specifically Hunter, who I think has the most interesting stuff to mine). I have a lot of issues with the way Sweeney is shot and written, but the best way to say it is a that is not done to appeal to the target audience, it’s done to appeal to middle age men who like the idea of teenagers a bit too much, which I find exploitative (I can, however, appreciate she is over-age, but she is a fairly early-career actress who unlike Zendaya doesn’t have a producing credit). That’s also not projection, it’s experience – the vulgar stuff I’ve heard from the mouths of (some) grown men in real life makes me feel icky about it.

    I agree but I don’t sure about “the target audience”. In theory, the target audience should be teens but teens only watch TikTok. Teens don’t saw Euphoria. I saw studies saying the audience of Euphoria are 40-69. A very famous CW study said only old people saw Riverdale and The Vampire Diaries. Leonardo DiCaprio is a huge fan of Euphoria. It seems Euphoria is for “creepy old men”

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    I agree but I don’t sure about “the target audience”. In theory, the target audience should be teens but teens only watch TikTok. Teens don’t saw Euphoria. I saw studies saying the audience of Euphoria are 40-69. A very famous CW study said only old people saw Riverdale and The Vampire Diaries. Leonardo DiCaprio is a huge fan of Euphoria. It seems Euphoria is for “creepy old men”

    not teens but young people 18-30, euphoria fanbase is huge online

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    This may be shocking but I wasn’t planning on watching the second season until I saw some of Sydney Sweeney and Zendaya’s best moments on tik tok out of context. So teens and younger people are definitely watching the show.

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