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    Victor
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    Let’s remember that Succession and Watchmen, big winners of this year’s Emmys were both below 1 million live ratings.

    Succession did 500k-700k through the entire season and Watchmen did basically the same, also, the breakout Insecure did 300k-500k, all live ratings

    But that drop man, how does a show go from 800 to 200 i don’t get.

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    All things Succession, Severance, Ted Lasso, The Great and The White Lotus! Also, Colin Firth and Janelle James while you're at it.

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    Live ratings are irrelevant, I thought people knew that in 2020

    Tailor the narrative however you want I guess because if you think the fact that its live ratings dropped my more than half this week as more people decided they could wait to watch the show is a positive sign then I can’t help you.

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    Tailor the narrative however you want I guess because if you think the fact that its live ratings dropped my more than half this week as more people decided they could wait to watch the show is a positive sign then I can’t help you.

    What are you talking about? Episode 3 premiered just 2 days ago and has bigger ratings than episode 1 and 2. Seems like you are the one who wants to follow a specific narrative. Nobody cares it dropped in live if people caught up so much on it that its doing a series high.

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    What are you talking about? Episode 3 premiered just 2 days ago and has bigger ratings than episode 1 and 2. Seems like you are the one who wants to follow a specific narrative

    The increased ratings for episode three that you indicate are represented mostly by delayed viewing. This is good and fine but frankly you would expect this given that the show is three weeks into its run now and people have had extra time to catch up on the first two episodes. But the reason HBO has made sure to detail the press release in this way is to make it look like more of a hit than it is by hiding the fact that the show’s live ratings are collapsing. This is not a good sign as, although they are of decreased importance in the modern era, live ratings still indicate the level of urgency that the audience has to view the content. If more people choose to watch at a later time, it is a likely indicator that the level of passion or immediate interest in the show is waning. It is worth noting that Lovecraft Country maintained stable live ratings across its run.

    (I’d like to add that I am enjoying The Undoing so am not hating on the show, merely providing a more measured perspective on the idea that it is a bonafide audience smash)

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    I still think we’re underestimating it for the nominations (it’s not a flop as much as some people here like to say) but omg how does that high profile a show drop that much in ratings?

    I’m wondering if people forgot to watch it this week because of the election stuff etc (I must admit I didn’t watch this episode live this week as I did with the first two) or if it will continue on this path. A HBO no.1 campaign priority prestige drama having an individual episode rating lower than a single episode of His Dark Materials is not good.

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    I don’t expect it to do well either. Nicole or burst

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    The audience rating is also just one point above the critics so it’s not exactly killing it in that department.

    I thought you said Rotten Tomatoes isn’t a valuable source of what critics like with its percentages and that’s why people are “overestimating” The Queen’s Gambit despite its 100% RT critics score.

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    I don’t expect it to do well either. Nicole or burst

    I don’t know. It has a tonne of international buzz (the comparisons to The Outsider are the most bizarre I’ve seen) and currently more than any HBO programme right now imo.

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    I don’t know. It has a tonne of international buzz (the comparisons to The Outsider are the most bizarre I’ve seen) and currently more than any HBO programme right now imo.

    I hope you’re right. I’m loving the show so far

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    You thought you did something with this condescending post explaining basic ratings knownledge to someone who has been checking them for years. The drop in live is compensated by the weekly digital growth. The total ratings of episode 3 is higher than the total ratings for episode 1 and 2 despite the linear ratings drop. It’s not hard to understand.

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    You thought you did something with this condescending post explaining basic ratings knownledge to someone who has been checking them for years. The drop in live is compensated by the weekly digital growth. The total ratings of episode 3 is higher than the total ratings for episode 1 and 2 despite the linear ratings drop. It’s not hard to understand.

    Can you really not contemplate the difference between an audience choosing to watch something as soon as they can and choosing to watch it whenever they happen to get round to it? I repeat the caption of the image I previously posted.

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    I thought you said Rotten Tomatoes isn’t a valuable source of what critics like with its percentages 

    I said that the RT %score is useless when discussing critical acclaim like the way you were doing, quantitatively. It’s still an accurate representation qualitatively but that doesn’t help us much when comparing shows and their reception, especially when they are much closer to one another so bringing them up is usually moot. A 100% rating doesn’t mean more acclaimed than a 95% for example but that both were largely well received by critics.
    What I actually said/meant is completely  different from what you interpreted it to be and nothing I’ve said earlier contradicts or undermines that so…

    and that’s why people are “overestimating” The Queen’s Gambit despite its 100% RT critics score.

    Ok that’s a completely fabricated statement. I’ve never talked about RT percentages with regards to TQG or said anyone was overestimating it because of it or otherwise. What I did say very explicitly in a reply to you was this:

    My initial point was that TQG’s reviews aren’t to the level to center that buzz or conversation around. Didn’t mean it didn’t matter or was irrelevant.

    Again, it’s inherently different from what you make it out to be.

    Kindly do proper research before trying to be shady. Thank you.

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    I Hate Suzie starts with a 91 on Metacritic.

    Get those still low odds on the show and Piper while you can, she can total pull a Madden type win here.

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    I Hate Suzie starts with a 91 on Metacritic. Get those still low odds on the show and Piper while you can, she can total pull a Madden type win here.

    I will laugh if we were all talking about Fanning vs O’Hara all along and Piper upsets here. It would be brilliant (although no disrespect to Fanning and O’Hara their performances are phenomenal) and one of the best awards wins in history (not kidding go watch it on HBO Max on November 19).

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    I will laugh if we were all talking about Fanning vs O’Hara all along and Piper upsets here. It would be brilliant (although no disrespect to Fanning and O’Hara their performances are phenomenal) and one of the best awards wins in history (not kidding go watch it on HBO Max on November 19).

    The HFPA do that all the time too, everyone spends months debating who will win and in the end it’s usually the 4th placed in the odds who was 13th in the nomination odds.

    There’s usually always one per year (Madden, Youseff, Thornton, Ellis-Ross, Gaga, Tierney)

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