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    Think of this as a hint of things to come (when eventually the older shows end). At this stage, from shows that debuted in 2020, 2021 and are at least at filming stage, what would you chose?

    Drama is really, really hard! For comedy I think I’d chose a combo of the following and wouldn’t need to go in  to unreleased

    • Ted Lasso
    • Only Murders in The Building
    • The Chair
    • The Flight Attendant
    • Reservation Dogs
    • Resident Alien
    • Hacks
    • The Great
    • Mythic Quest

     

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    Are you asking what one’s personal lineup of shows that have debuted in this decade would look like or are you asking which shows we think could break out (or sustain themselves) as Emmy players once shows that started in the previous decade like Barry and The Crown end?

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing/The Power of the Dog/Shiva Baby/Spencer
    Director: Jane Campion/Rebecca Hall/Pablo Larrain
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch/Andrew Garfield/Winston Duke
    Actress: Olivia Colman/Kristen Stewart/Tessa Thompson
    S. Actor: Richard E. Grant/Troy Kotsur/Kodi Smit-McPhee
    S. Actress : Kirsten Dunst/Claire Foy/Jayne Houdyshell/Martha Plimpton/Ruth Negga/Diana Rigg/Anya Taylor-Joy
    O. Screenplay: Bergman Island/Mass/Nine Days
    A. Screenplay: The Lost Daughter/Passing/The Power of the Dog/Shiva B

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    Are you asking what one’s personal lineup of shows that have debuted in this decade would look like or are you asking which shows we think could break out (or sustain themselves) as Emmy players once shows that started in the previous decade like Barry and The Crown end?

    The latter. There are a lot of shows we either know or presume are in their last season or two. I also think something like Reservation Dogs might take a year or two to get in, whilst Resident Alien could run five or six years but might need a few old shows to fall out because of the audience being a bit older.

    Drama’s interesting – we’re  not far off Succession, Ozark, and The Crown ending and I suspect The Morning Show will end at three though there’s no confirmation of that. What’s emerged or looks promising that’s sustainable?

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    Drama I think is a really hard one to answer because those aforementioned shows really mark the end of an era. Streamers and networks (although perhaps not HBO) seem to be less and less interested in multiple season dramas and are investing more into limited series which is something I think we’re going to see have a particularly noticeable impact in the next few years with the limited field becoming more and more competitive and the drama becomes less and less. It’s something that has been a long time coming and has been accelerated because of the pandemic.

    With regards to which shows that have debuted this decade that have the greatest chances of growing as contenders I think there are three shows that are particularly striking in this regard in The GreatHacks and Reservation Dogs.

    The Great keeps growing and growing as a show. I think we can all agree that considering its guild haul for season 1 that it has a decent shot at an Emmy breakthrough if season 2 lands right. Considering its set to follow a similar path to The Crown in terms of casting (changing its car every two to three seasons as the story progresses) its sort of guaranteed to generate buzz because it essentially is semi-rebooting itself.

    Hacks already seems to be quite a strong show awards wise (its ability to take advantage of a Ted Lasso split in writing so well is HUGE considering how that branch isn’t as “vote-splitty” as we’ve seen others be under this system) and sort of feels like Veep in the sense that it only grows in appreciation as its plot progresses and becomes for the lack of a better term more “exciting”.

    <i>Reservation Dogs</i> seems to be much smaller than both of The Great and Hacks at the moment but I think it’s particularly striking that it already seems to have garnered so much attention due to its premise and critical passion. Shows with largely unknown/lesser known casts only tend to grow as time progresses and their cast becomes more high profile (Succession, Maisel, GoT etc, Insecure too) even when they’re not big award players (Sex Education being the most notable example of this). If it breaks through this year in say writing at the Emmys I can see it only grow from there in visibility and momentum.

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing/The Power of the Dog/Shiva Baby/Spencer
    Director: Jane Campion/Rebecca Hall/Pablo Larrain
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch/Andrew Garfield/Winston Duke
    Actress: Olivia Colman/Kristen Stewart/Tessa Thompson
    S. Actor: Richard E. Grant/Troy Kotsur/Kodi Smit-McPhee
    S. Actress : Kirsten Dunst/Claire Foy/Jayne Houdyshell/Martha Plimpton/Ruth Negga/Diana Rigg/Anya Taylor-Joy
    O. Screenplay: Bergman Island/Mass/Nine Days
    A. Screenplay: The Lost Daughter/Passing/The Power of the Dog/Shiva B

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    Has there been any examples of shows that got (nearly) shut out in their first seasons but the Emmys warmed up to in later seasons?

    Will & Grace, Everybody Loves Raymond and Schitt’s Creek are the only ones that spring to mind, and the later two are a direct result of brand new increased viewership (changed CBS time slot and a Netflix boast, respectively).

    Oscars FYC:

    "CODA" – in all categories

    "Everybody's Talking About Jamie" – Sup. Actor (Richard E. Grant), Sup. Actress (Sarah Lancashire) and Original Song (“This Was Me”)

    "King Richard" – Original Song (“Be Alive”)

    "Summer of Soul" – Picture, Film Editing and Documentary Feature

    “The Green Knight” – in all categories

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    Has there been any examples of shows that got (nearly) shut out in their first seasons but the Emmys warmed up to in later seasons?

    I mean a few who haven’t broken through with acting noms – WWDITS, Cobra Kai, Pen15, Also if I’m not mistaken, Insecure and The Good Place though they’ve never been big players.

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    Re drama, my assumption on lifespan is something like this:

    BCS, Killing Eve, Ozark, This Is Us – 2021 (Confirmed)

    The Crown, Succession, Handmaid’s Tale, The Mandalorian, Stranger Things, Westworld, Euphoria, Westworld – 2022/2023

    The Boys, Bridgerton – 2024/2025

    Which way they turn on drama is hard to tell. Do they concede towards the big genre shows or chose two or three season contemporary dramas? Are there even many being made? I feel like this is where Apple could dominate, it seems like a possible sweet spot.

    (I have to say I’d be really unsurprised if Stranger Things announced S4 was their last and I feel fairly similar about Westworld too. Euphoria seems like a short 3-4 season show and whilst TMS COULD go multiple seasons whether the cast would want to go past 3 is another thing.)

     

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    Has there been any examples of shows that got (nearly) shut out in their first seasons but the Emmys warmed up to in later seasons?

    Will & Grace, Everybody Loves Raymond and Schitt’s Creek are the only ones that spring to mind, and the later two are a direct result of brand new increased viewership (changed CBS time slot and a Netflix boast, respectively).

    The first show that came to my mind was Friday Night Lights.

    I don’t know if it counts, but Law and Order SVU was eligible for the first time for 2000 awards, but Mariska Hargitay first nomination was in 2004, even with guest nominations in 2000, 2002 and 2003.

    Also, wasn’t Cagney and Lacey snubbed for the first season?

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    Perry Mason will be clearing until 2030, wbk

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    I mean a few who haven’t broken through with acting noms – WWDITS, Cobra Kai, Pen15, Also if I’m not mistaken, Insecure and The Good Place though they’ve never been big players.

    The former three did have at least one either Primetime or Creative Arts during its freshman season and whilst the latter two didn’t break until their 2nd seasons, they did have critics support from the very beginning.

    Assuming just based on recent history, unless it’s a first season breakout, we’re likely already aware of big players future.

    Oscars FYC:

    "CODA" – in all categories

    "Everybody's Talking About Jamie" – Sup. Actor (Richard E. Grant), Sup. Actress (Sarah Lancashire) and Original Song (“This Was Me”)

    "King Richard" – Original Song (“Be Alive”)

    "Summer of Soul" – Picture, Film Editing and Documentary Feature

    “The Green Knight” – in all categories

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    Has there been any examples of shows that got (nearly) shut out in their first seasons but the Emmys warmed up to in later seasons?

    The Boys went above the line this year- not their favorite show but an upward trajectory.

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    Fleabag got shut out at the Emmys for season 1 and then swept for season 2…

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing/The Power of the Dog/Shiva Baby/Spencer
    Director: Jane Campion/Rebecca Hall/Pablo Larrain
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch/Andrew Garfield/Winston Duke
    Actress: Olivia Colman/Kristen Stewart/Tessa Thompson
    S. Actor: Richard E. Grant/Troy Kotsur/Kodi Smit-McPhee
    S. Actress : Kirsten Dunst/Claire Foy/Jayne Houdyshell/Martha Plimpton/Ruth Negga/Diana Rigg/Anya Taylor-Joy
    O. Screenplay: Bergman Island/Mass/Nine Days
    A. Screenplay: The Lost Daughter/Passing/The Power of the Dog/Shiva B

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    Perry Mason will be clearing until 2030, wbk

    OMG, the way I forgot about Perry Mason.  Yes, you’re right, it’ll probably outlive them all. Even if it misses in a heavier ’22 field it could really benefit from the clear out.

    Lupin probably has legs. Does Squid Game actually have the capacity to be more than a one-season obsession? Will Loki go more than two?

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