May 2, 2022 at 3:50 am #1204939495
Surely Garner should be in leading this year. I know they’d never do that strategically and it’s essentially ensemble but so is pretty much undeniably co-lead this season imo. I think she will win again. People love Ruth, and seem to really like Jennifer. Poor Snook. At least Succession has more seasons to come.May 2, 2022 at 7:07 am #1204939603
Linney should be the one winning from this season. If garner wins again and laura wins nothing for ozark, that’s embarrassing for emmys.May 2, 2022 at 8:11 am #1204939637
(long time lurker here, making my first post- hello everyone!) I really loved the Ozark finale. I had little quibbles with the second half of the season, such as a few issues with pacing and I personally found some of the guest appearances, as a narrative technique, a little overly sentimental. It wouldn’t have been my first choice for an ending but I definitely understand why they did it and after sitting with it for a little bit, it feels right. Bleak, but right. And of course, extraordinarily well acted, especially by Garner and Linney.May 2, 2022 at 5:38 pm #1204940232
Finished Part II. Yeah, that ending was…a choice. Honestly, this didn’t need 14 episodes. I feel like this season dragged so much and the story didn’t really develop as well as it should’ve. If I didn’ know better, I wouldn’t say this was a final season. Acting wise, Laura Linney and Julia Garner ate and left no crumbs. Bateman had his moments but didn’t really do anyting note worthy. At least, for me. Pelphrey was actually really good in his appearance. It’s a 7 minute sequence but I really hope he gets nominated. Did more in those minutes than several Guest winners combined. The Academy still owes him, for robbing him for s3. Robin Wright and Amanda Marsalis had, by far, the best directed episodes of the season.May 2, 2022 at 6:06 pm #1204940262
I watched the first three seasons in early quarantine, and didn’t really feel until season 3 that the show was really coming together and telling a propulsive, cohesive story. The first part of season 4 kind of continued that trend, but part 2 lost all of that momentum. The show has always suffered from the constant turnover of villains, and when long-term antagonists do stick around, the show often lacks finding a way to make them feel necessary and convincingly menacing. That’s why disposing of Javi, when so much of part 1 was dedicated to building up what a force and foil he was to the Byrdes, and having his mother somehow weirdly take over as the ultimate big bad of the series were two choices that both drove the last seven episodes and made no sense. Then you’ve got character choices by Wendy and the kids that betray what had previously been built up (Charlotte so easily turning on her parents and wanting to leave with her grandfather when in part one she had become fully involved in assisting her parents? C’mon.) and an ultimate ending that isn’t satisfying from a dramatic or storytelling sense, and I’m leaning more negative on the whole. Part 1, especially that last episode, had so much momentum heading into the end and I never felt that urgency again, even in the series finale. I’ve never been as high on the performances as others on this forum, and this season didn’t do much to change that. I don’t think Garner deserves to win three Emmys for this show, but if I were to give her one for the show, it would definitely be for this season. Linney was great and Bateman was good, but they hit greater heights in season 3. It was a whimper of an ending for me, though I’ve never really been too invested in this show so I can’t be too upset.May 2, 2022 at 6:25 pm #1204940275
Garner should be lead – and she should be winning
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I always liked Garner on the show, but felt her first two Emmy wins were undeserved. This time around, I’m fully on #TeamJulia. Heck, give her TWO Emmys for this season. She’s that good!May 3, 2022 at 10:05 pm #1204941404
I always liked Garner on the show, but felt her first two Emmy wins were undeserved. This time around, I’m fully on #TeamJulia. Heck, give her TWO Emmys for this season. She’s that good!
I feel more like that with Garner this season, too. She’s been really impressive. I don’t necessarily think she should already have two Emmys for this role but I’d be fine with her winning this year. She’s really delivere.dMay 4, 2022 at 7:45 am #1204941695
Garner should be lead – and she should be winning
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I think this is a Lost situation for me where the series finale divides public opinion and I’m in the camp who absolutely loves how everything paid off in the finale. With a few exceptions I haven’t been so tuned into the conversation so religiously when it comes to the Emmys or really even television itself so I had a brief glance at some of the responses in this thread and on Twitter and whilst on this forum there are some very valid criticisms of this season that I even agree with to an extent, I’m really befuddled at some of the criticism towards the finale being directed at the ending not being a “happy” one when this is a show whose last season finale ended with the fallout of the Byrdes sending one of their relatives to death. Part of the art of television and the long-form is how much the audience goes on a journey with a set of characters over a period of time and in a tragedy like this, ending it on a note that doesn’t involve some sort of literal or metaphorical toll for this family would not only be unsatisfying but also unrealistic. Part of the appeal behind this show is how in spite of their moral ambiguity, the Byrdes when we first meet them feel very realistically characterised. No modern middle class family who has been embroiled in the thick of a cartel business, been involved in the cover-up of multiple deaths, stolen people’s businesses in order to prop up their money laundering front amongst other moral and legal felonies is going to be able to return to their life beforehand unscathed. Personally I thought that the show would end with at least one of the Byrdes (if not all four) getting murdered by the Cartel but I actually prefer this ending a lot more and the more I think about it the more I like it because it exemplifies everything Ozark has been over the past four seasons and 44 episodes we’ve spent with the Byrdes. The murders, ever changing big bads and the shenanigans the Byrdes managed to get themselves into with one of Mexico’s biggest drug cartels were all secondary to Ozark’s narrative purpose which isn’t to show how these characters develop over time but rather unravel them for who they really are and challenge the audience’s pre-conceived notions about them. When this show started we were to assume that Ruth was going to be this show’s antagonist and that Wendy was the tormented wife being dragged along by her husband into this money laundering business but as the show progresses those veils around class start to slowly fade until the show’s turning point in season 3 where Wendy and Ruth fall on completely opposite sides of the spectrum. The former is the one who is (and has always been) driven by a thirst for power whilst the latter is only in a life of crime at this point to provide for herself and her family (or at least what’s left of it). The Byrdes, just like the Roys on Succession, have never been good people and the finale really brought that home in all the best ways whether with the final scene with the family’s ultimate apathy towards Ruth’s literal demise or Mel’s monologue about how the Byrdes will never be able to be a Kennedy-esque dynasty because “that’s not how the world works” with Wendy coldly countering with a “says who”. We often talk about how important a pilot is in setting the tone for a show but scarcely do we talk about how equally important a finale is in really being able to maintain that whilst add something to the show’s legacy. And I think in that Mundy and the show’s writers should take credit. It’s far from an easy task with any show never mind one on the scale of this one to be able to provide that form of longevity and I think the fact there is such enthusiastic discussion about the finale (both positive and negative) and about the motivations of these characters beyond its release is really one of the best things any showrunner can ask for.
I still prefer Britt Lower and Sarah Snook in their own categories but if anyone else has to win those lead and supporting Emmys I would rather it were Linney and Garner. The latter really brought a compelling insight into Ruth as a character in each of the episodes from this part of the season in ways I’ve never really felt so passionate about on this show before (although I’ve always liked her work and thought she did richly deserve her win for season 2) really revealing the Ruth underneath the combative persona. The former however (and perhaps this is an unpopular opinion) was the MVP of this season for me. That was in part just due to how breathtaking Linney’s wearing of Wendy’s psychotic breakdown was throughout most of the season but also because I found it quite remarkable how she brought a lot of honesty to such a dishonest character. “Mud” (which should most definitely be the tape she submits this year) will be cited for how much of an emotive performance she gives but what really stood out for me was that scene with Charlotte and Jonah at the mental hospital where Wendy begins to shed a fear tears before admitting the now crumbled façade and showcasing her more blunt and authoritative prowess. The writing on this season of the show, whilst still quite good, did fail to reach some of the heights the third did due to wonkier plotting. But both Garner and Linney’s performances as well as some of the work behind the camera on some of these episodes (in particular from Amanda Marsalis who really should be credited more for really immersing the viewer with these characters with really smart subversion) matched and in some case’s outmatched was brought to the table last season.May 11, 2022 at 11:15 am #1204949146
My issue with the finale was a lot of the end game stuff felt either shoehorned in or convenient. Especially with regards to the final two deaths. I was okay with Jonah pulling the trigger but I was buying that the PI dude would go after them by acting belligerent and graceless. He just shows up and breaks in? It felt very forced and made the Jonah reveal feel a bit unearned.
In the same vain, I was okay with Ruth being sold out by the pharmaceutical woman whose name escapes me at the moment but it being so easy for Camila to kill Ruth and the way it was executed was tacky. Even Bateman’s direction to slow down the bullet exiting the gun just felt very ham-fisted and like they were trying to force evocation into a plot point that needed more time to be executed correctly.
So, really it felt like they were just stuffing things in at the end that probably needed more time and attention to detail. It wasn’t bad it just felt rushed and poorly executed.June 7, 2022 at 7:43 pm #1204975547
Finished today and I am in the ‘love the finale’ team. That final scene was great. Laura Linney was phenomenal in these last episodes, remarkable performance.
After finish the season, it was obvious for me it didn’t need 4 more episodes to finish the story, because there were a few weak episodes and this final arc wasn’t so interesting until the end. Linney, Garner, Bateman elevated the material.Not now
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