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    #1205003810

    I did like the season but you’re spot on about the actors’s fading chemistry. They’re much older now and look a little out of place in that high school setting (I’m looking at Will especially) and they seem really fragmented as a group. I know the showrunners want us to believe it’s a plot point and their natural transition to adults but it’s just a lack of chemistry and diverging plot lines.

    I found it weird that Dustin never communicated with the Gang even once through his radio nor did the gang in Hawkins care about the California group. They don’t even know El saved Max! There was also surprisingly no major reaction to Eddie’s death or Max’s hospitalisation from the group? The last 15 minutes were a mess.

    I’m desperately hoping season 5 finds a way to tie in these storylines and bring the kids together for the final showdown. Having a great plot is important but so is individual character development. I’m especially hoping Mike has a larger part and Will has something else to do besides crying and touching his neck.

    Lol. I will agree on the Eddie part and Max’s hospitalization. It has been reported that Will is going to be having a bigger part in S5. I definitely agree that the last 15 minutes felt a bit rushed.

    But the lack of contact between the California and Hawkins group is because the distance between the two groups. And because before that, they literally were in house arrest and had to forcefully leave their house in a whim because soldiers invaded their house. They literally couldn’t get anything from their house. So no telephone or whatsoever.

    As for the gang, not everyone went to California. Mike’s family is still based in Hawkins. (as we can see with Nancy) and only visited El and Will for a short while.

    When Hopper “died”, Joyce became El’s “family” or guardian. So when Joyce’s family moved to California, they had to bring El with them. The only group that were in California was Joyce, Will, Jonathan and El, basically their family.

    That’s why they had this angle of Nancy with Steve and Jonathan having a conflict because he will be going to college and they were in different places.

    The California group and Hawkins group have not been in contact for MONTHS. They have basically lost track of each other for a while. They all had very minimal contact with each other. Which is also mentioned with Mike and El.

    It also became the same and main reason that triggered Max’s depression even more is because her brother died and her friends moved away.

    Which made her an even more easier target for Vecna.

    Again the only reason Mike is in California is because he had a quick visit for El. They weren’t split up to make specific missions. There are reasons why they were all in those locations.

    It was basically a natural progression with them and I think for this season in particular they gave each character much more depth, maturity and individuality than ANY other season. (which is spetacular!) We got to know ALL of them individualy outside of their group setting. Like at this point we know each indivdual character’s attitudes, flaws, strengths, weaknesses and responses. Its fucking phenomenal! (character writing-wise)

    The only flaw this season had tbh is that everything happened all at the same time. Which can be overwhelming. I’d say they could’ve had this season 2 or 3 more episodes so that people can get a grasp of everything that was going on. I think it overwhelmed a lot of viewers.

    The concept of 2 volumes should’ve been them getting in California, the group’s new dynamic, the mysterious killings, them discovering it, Hopper being in Russia. 2nd Volume should’ve been El’s training, Vecna’s story, Joyce and company finding Hopper, the getting together to defeat Vecna up until the finale.

    Its a long ass season that’s because they covered a LOT of things.

    But if you’ll consider it in a technical standpoint, when they will be selecting and submitting episodes for Emmy consideration its brilliant.

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    I did like the season but you’re spot on about the actors’s fading chemistry. They’re much older now and look a little out of place in that high school setting (I’m looking at Will especially) and they seem really fragmented as a group. I know the showrunners want us to believe it’s a plot point and their natural transition to adults but it’s just a lack of chemistry and diverging plot lines. I found it weird that Dustin never communicated with the Gang even once through his radio nor did the gang in Hawkins care about the California group. They don’t even know El saved Max! There was also surprisingly no major reaction to Eddie’s death or Max’s hospitalisation from the group? The last 15 minutes were a mess. I’m desperately hoping season 5 finds a way to tie in these storylines and bring the kids together for the final showdown. Having a great plot is important but so is individual character development. I’m especially hoping Mike has a larger part and Will has something else to do besides crying and touching his neck.

    Totally agree about Will. It has literally been the same thing for back to back seasons. Feeling sad and that he’s going to lose his best friend. The writers have failed that character. No character development at all.
    I still can’t get over how out of place and unnecessary Hopper in Russia storyline was. It didn’t fit with everything else. Hopefully they get to all team up together for the finale. Let’s keep them in 2 groups or 1 like they normally do. I’d like to see some character development from the main guys if we can (Mike, Dustin, Lucas, Jonathan, Steve) they did great with with the ladies El and Max this season. Max was MVP with El right behind her

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    Totally agree about Will. It has literally been the same thing for back to back seasons. Feeling sad and that he’s going to lose his best friend. The writers have failed that character. No character development at all. I still can’t get over how out of place and unnecessary Hopper in Russia storyline was. It didn’t fit with everything else. Hopefully they get to all team up together for the finale. Let’s keep them in 2 groups or 1 like they normally do. I’d like to see some character development from the main guys if we can (Mike, Dustin, Lucas, Jonathan, Steve) they did great with with the ladies El and Max this season. Max was MVP with El right behind her

    The Russia storyline was not out of place. Don’t forget that in Season 3, the russians open a new gate and did experiments on the creatures. And at the end, Hopper was kidnapped by the russians. His storyline was necessary to show what the russians did with the upside down and that at the end, everything with the upside down in Russia was destroyed. Now they can focus on Hawkins only.

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    #1205004154

    Episode 8 was great, episode 9 not so much. Underwhelmed with the way they wrapped things up honestly.

    It’s still ridiculous to me that they haven’t found the balls to kill any main characters yet. Like, of course it was only Eddie!

    I still enjoyed it and found it super entertaining, but at this point that’s kind of all it is for me now. No emotional connection, no emotional stakes because everyone somehow always makes it out alive. My eyes must have rolled to the back of my head when I saw what they were doing with Max at the end. And the plot armor? Whew, it was out to play.

    Hopefully the final season delivers in a way I find more satisfying.

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    It’s still ridiculous to me that they haven’t found the balls to kill any main characters yet. Like, of course it was only Eddie!

    This whats making me so annoyed about the show. Like, they only kill characters that are only on the show for like 1-2 seasons. And for that reason, is a bit difficult to feel anything for them. Billy’s death was, by far, the one that made feel something, out of all the deaths we’ve had so far, and it’s mostly due to what his character went through that season. I loved Eddie but his death didn’t affect me that much tbh. I feel like a part of me knew he was dying and I was mentally prepared for it. I think I needed another season for it to have a bigger impact on me. It’s just feels so ridiculous and unrealistic how the main cast faces so many deadly and surreal situations and yet all survive and only “disposable” characters meet their end. It’s just ugh…

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    This whats making me so annoyed about the show. Like, they only kill characters that are only on the show for like 1-2 seasons. And for that reason, is a bit difficult to feel anything for them. Billy’s death was, by far, the one that made feel something, out of all the deaths we’ve had so far, and it’s mostly due to what his character went through that season. I loved Eddie but his death didn’t affect me that much tbh. I feel like a part of me knew he was dying and I was mentally prepared for it. I think I needed another season for it to have a bigger impact on me. It’s just feels so ridiculous and unrealistic how the main cast faces so many deadly and surreal situations and yet all survive and only “disposable” characters meet their end. It’s just ugh…

    And not only do they survive, they’re pretty much unharmed most of the time lol. Like Robin, Nancy and Steve must have been choking in the finale while being tied to the wall for a half hour and then they were just magically okay! The plot armor was so apparent this time around and that’s largely due to the fact that there are so many storylines because the entire cast just aren’t together.

    Cutting the number of people in the cast by killing some characters would help make the episodes tighter, more thrilling, more emotional, etc. It wouldn’t even be killing people off for the sake of it — they are supposedly fighting this insanely powerful supernatural force (or whatever you want to call lol), why wouldn’t there be casualties? Especially kids who are in high school with no fighting experience, except what they’ve picked up after years of fighting and (somehow!) winning the different villains, for lack of a better word.

    It’s just very frustrating to me lol. That’s why I’m really trying to just change the way I view the series. Maybe it is just pure entertainment and nothing beyond that!

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    And not only do they survive, they’re pretty much unharmed most of the time lol. Like Robin, Nancy and Steve must have been choking in the finale while being tied to the wall for a half hour and then they were just magically okay! The plot armor was so apparent this time around and that’s largely due to the fact that there are so many storylines because the entire cast just aren’t together. Cutting the number of people in the cast by killing some characters would help make the episodes tighter, more thrilling, more emotional, etc. It wouldn’t even be killing people off for the sake of it — they are supposedly fighting this insanely powerful supernatural force (or whatever you want to call lol), why wouldn’t there be casualties? Especially kids who are in high school with no fighting experience, except what they’ve picked up after years of fighting and (somehow!) winning the different villains, for lack of a better word. It’s just very frustrating to me lol. That’s why I’m really trying to just change the way I view the series. Maybe it is just pure entertainment and nothing beyond that!

    This. It just doesn’t make any sense. I also don’t think they should kill main characters for the sake of it, but 1 or 2 would be reasonable and more realistic imo. The Duffer Brothers also saying the finale was going to be a bloodbath didn’t help. I mean, who even died? Dr. Brenner, Jason and Eddie? And with all due respect, I couldn’t give two f*cks about the first two.

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    Why everyone complain about « death of main characters »?! It’s not even that important. No main character dies in Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbeans, etc. and it didn’t change anything…

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    Why everyone complain about « death of main characters »?! It’s not even that important. No main character dies in Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbeans, etc. and it didn’t change anything…

    Harry Potter has only 3 main characters and you had tons of important supporting characters dying throughout the series.

    And no one is saying killing a main character is important. It’s just quite annoying and honestly unrealistic considering what they all go through for 4 seasons. They all stay okay/alive at the end and only characters that aren’t THAT important die.

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    Great final episode. Max should have died but I’m fine with it because I never expect any major deaths on this show since the Hopper cop out. Only other major thought is that Millie Bobby Brown is 100% a lead now. I really hope they switch her and Ryder’s categories for season 5 and more importantly give the latter more to do!

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    Okay – what the actual hell, Emmys?

    You have the perfect opportunity to nominate the most watched TV series of the 2022-23 season in a plethora of ATL categories, and you go ahead and give it the obligatory creative arts nominee treatment for the second year in a row???

    It was honestly expected for Season 3, but now? There is no excuse.

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    No Directing and Writing is a crime!!!

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    I question if splitting the season up affected the snubs

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    Probably, at least in acting. Episodes 8 and 9 featured the best acting of the season, but voting phase ended a few days before they were released.

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    I don’t think the split affected anything. I think yesterday proved that voters in the bigger branches have just stopped seeing it as an award worthy show even if they still enjoy it. It does happen with this kind of mass appeal content.

    I also think there’s a possibility that some voters are like me and think the ensemble this season was the standout rather than any individual.

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