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    Dan Backslide
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    I kind of feel bad for James Cromwell. Despite the ensemble of the show being excellent this season and better than the last season he was the only ensemble member who was weaker this season.

    Agreed, but he was still great and worthy of a nomination.

    Unfortunately he didn’t have as much material as last time.

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    Agreed, but he was still great and worthy of a nomination. Unfortunately he didn’t have as much material as last time.

    He should have won last time. I thought he was just as good as Bradley Whitford last year.

    Oscars FYC:
    "THE POWER OF THE DOG" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "SPENCER" – In all categories especially Director (Pablo Larrain) and Actress (Kristen Stewart)
    "SHIVA BABY" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "TOGETHER" – Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "FLEE" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "LAST NIGHT IN SOHO" – Director (Edgar Wright), S. Actress (Anya Taylor-Joy/Diana Rigg), Cinematography, Costume Design and Production Design

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    I hope they give him more next season, with the shareholder’s meeting coming. He kills me just with his face expression after “Oh Greg, fuck your grampa” and Tacitus, all killer, no filler.

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    He should have won last time. I thought he was just as good as Bradley Whitford last year.

    And it was ridiculous that Whitford and those episodes were allowed to compete at all. Thankfully something like that won’t be allowed again.

    I hope they give him more next season, with the shareholder’s meeting coming. He kills me just with his face expression after “Oh Greg, fuck your grampa” and Tacitus, all killer, no filler.

    Don’t forget how he made a case for Logan being worse than Hitler.

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    I feel so conflicted about who I like more out of Cox and Strong they honestly need to tie some how at the Emmys both are so far above their competition to me it’ll be tragic if they both get in and lose to Bateman.

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    I feel so conflicted about who I like more out of Cox and Strong they honestly need to tie some how at the Emmys both are so far above their competition to me it’ll be tragic if they both get in and lose to Bateman.

    The only scenario I am accepting if neither win is if Tobias Menzies or Billy Porter win. Otherwise I’ll riot (socially distanced of course).

    Oscars FYC:
    "THE POWER OF THE DOG" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "SPENCER" – In all categories especially Director (Pablo Larrain) and Actress (Kristen Stewart)
    "SHIVA BABY" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "TOGETHER" – Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "FLEE" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "LAST NIGHT IN SOHO" – Director (Edgar Wright), S. Actress (Anya Taylor-Joy/Diana Rigg), Cinematography, Costume Design and Production Design

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    I feel so conflicted about who I like more out of Cox and Strong they honestly need to tie some how at the Emmys both are so far above their competition to me it’ll be tragic if they both get in and lose to Bateman.

    I’m a hardcore Odenkirk fanboy, but I’ll be sorely disappointed if it’s not Cox or Strong.

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    I think Strong has the strongest character narrative?

    Emmy voters like a flawed antihero-type character (Walter White, Don Draper, Villanelle, Nick Brody, Annalise Keating), rather than an all out dickhead.

    This season we’ve seen Kendall be a more rounded character than just the drugged up wannabe in season 1. Logan is still a dickhead of a character.

    Kendall has redeemable features which we haven’t seen in Logan yet. I could see that giving Strong the edge.

    Check out more of my thoughts on Twitter (@AMG_Review) and Instagram (amg_reviews)

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    I think Strong has the strongest character narrative? Emmy voters like a flawed antihero-type character (Walter White, Don Draper, Villanelle, Nick Brody, Annalise Keating), rather than an all out dickhead. This season we’ve seen Kendall be a more rounded character than just the drugged up wannabe in season 1. Logan is still a dickhead of a character. Kendall has redeemable features which we haven’t seen in Logan yet. I could see that giving Strong the edge.

    I’d personally say Walt is more similar to Logan than Kendall. He’s sympathetic, but he gets downright monstrous.

    Although, it’s worth noting that Cranston lost for 5A, which was Walt at his most villainous.

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    This proved my point (which I thought would be a lot more unpopular than it actually turned out to be) in the drama thread right.

    Kendall was the main contributor in an innocent young man’s death and then proceeded to cover it up. He also tried to oust his father from his own business after he just recovered from a serious illness, has no concern for/awareness of social issues, ruined an entire company (letting a hundred of its employees go) because ‘dad told me to’, lied in front of a congressional committee, ruined his own sister’s wedding for revenge, consistently tries to undermine his siblings and is shown to be fairly disinterested in his children.

    Why is Kendall being presented as someone to sympathise with above other characters in the show? Because he always looks like he’s on the verge of a nervous breakdown? I love the show because these characters are all awful. Of course you can paint a sympathetic narrative for him (as you could for most of the other characters), but he is widely seen as sympathetic because he’s the ‘white male antihero’ of our collective consciousness.

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    Carrie Coon, ‘The Gilded Age’ (no I haven’t seen it, but we have no choice but to stan anyway)

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    Or you can have sympathy for someone who is ultimately not redeemable?

    Feelings aren’t a binary and the show is excellent at exploiting that fact.

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    I don’t think Kendall is a good person, but I do consider him the most sympathetic main cast member as he’s endured the worst of Logan’s abuse and clearly has a lot of mental health issues, being plagued by huge problems such as his deep sense of insecurity, substance abuse addiction, and contemplation of suicide.

    He kind of make me think of Cersei Lannister in that he’s not a good person (though Cersei is much, much worse), but he takes so much shit that you can’t help but find him pitiable.

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    Or you can have sympathy for someone who is ultimately not redeemable?

    Feelings aren’t a binary and the show is excellent at exploiting that fact.

    At no point have I expressed otherwise. I was responding to someone that implied Logan is irredeemable while Kendall is sympathetic. Kendall gets a disproportionate amount of sympathy in comparison with his actions and in relation to other characters who haven’t even done things on the same level that he has. This ties into who we deem worthy of ‘sympathy’ on a more general level, as well as the male antihero trope that remains prevalent in TV and film.

    For Your Consideration:

    Carrie Coon, ‘The Gilded Age’ (no I haven’t seen it, but we have no choice but to stan anyway)

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    Every character in the show is horrible anyways

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    Every character in the show is horrible anyways

    My point exactly. Presenting Kendall as more sympathetic than the others is problematic.

    For Your Consideration:

    Carrie Coon, ‘The Gilded Age’ (no I haven’t seen it, but we have no choice but to stan anyway)

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