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December 29, 2022 at 6:04 pm #1205213437
House of the Dragon entered the Top 10 and has a slight advantage over Pachinko.
ReplyCopy URLDecember 29, 2022 at 6:54 pm #1205213462House of the Dragon entered the Top 10 and has a slight advantage over Pachinko.
HoTD ending up so high is so revisionist. They were pretty brutal to it when it came out. If it weren’t so visible I don’t think it would be so high.
ReplyCopy URLDecember 29, 2022 at 7:44 pm #1205213497Impressed Slow Horses managed to sneak into the top 30. It only appeared on 5 ranked lists and only two of those was higher than #9 (#7 for both The Independent and The Watch).
ReplyCopy URLDecember 30, 2022 at 9:56 am #1205214258This may be an unpopular opinion, and I’m a big Severance stan so of course I’ll feel this way, but to me this list shows Severance as the clear winner despite the close point difference. BCS has a few more number one’s and two’s, which is why it’s so close. Severance has basically double the total of appearances on other lists. So I get how the list works and allots points, but for me there is a clear winner.
ReplyCopy URLDecember 30, 2022 at 11:58 am #1205214417At the start of December I was working on an aggregate where first is 20 points, second is 19 points, third is 18 etc, and Severance was dominating. I think the metacritic list is fair and interesting, but I don’t love that a 3 and a 10 are the exact same points, or an 11 and a 20 are both half a point even though the difference between those two placements is enormous. Severance did often place in the top 5 and I think that’s significant, although I haven’t been keeping up with the more recent lists.
But then the other issue is that Severance is probably performing better because more people watched it. If you get placed anywhere on a list with my system, that’s a huge benefit, whereas Better Call Saul being left off a list doesn’t mean it’s worse than Severance, it most likely means newer critics had time to watch that one season vs watching 11 seasons of TV to fully appreciate Better Call Saul’s finale. So it’s hard to say if every person writing a list had watched both shows, which would they have preferred? I feel pretty conflicted.
And even then, a lot of really prestigious publications that I’d normally expect to agree with the aggregate named The Bear as their favourite show. I honestly don’t know what to think, I feel like this year was just way more competitive than the past few years. But I think Severance is a worthy winner for sure. It’s definitely the show that’s the most popular with people making lists, whereas I feel like BCS and The Bear had more passion. And then of course Andor performed super well because it was something that any kind of geek/nerd oriented publication could latch onto. I don’t know if I have a point here but it’s a very different year from normal. I definitely think Severance makes sense as a clear winner
ReplyCopy URLDecember 30, 2022 at 3:55 pm #1205214610At the start of December I was working on an aggregate where first is 20 points, second is 19 points, third is 18 etc, and Severance was dominating. I think the metacritic list is fair and interesting, but I don’t love that a 3 and a 10 are the exact same points, or an 11 and a 20 are both half a point even though the difference between those two placements is enormous. Severance did often place in the top 5 and I think that’s significant, although I haven’t been keeping up with the more recent lists. But then the other issue is that Severance is probably performing better because more people watched it. If you get placed anywhere on a list with my system, that’s a huge benefit, whereas Better Call Saul being left off a list doesn’t mean it’s worse than Severance, it most likely means newer critics had time to watch that one season vs watching 11 seasons of TV to fully appreciate Better Call Saul’s finale. So it’s hard to say if every person writing a list had watched both shows, which would they have preferred? I feel pretty conflicted. And even then, a lot of really prestigious publications that I’d normally expect to agree with the aggregate named The Bear as their favourite show. I honestly don’t know what to think, I feel like this year was just way more competitive than the past few years. But I think Severance is a worthy winner for sure. It’s definitely the show that’s the most popular with people making lists, whereas I feel like BCS and The Bear had more passion. And then of course Andor performed super well because it was something that any kind of geek/nerd oriented publication could latch onto. I don’t know if I have a point here but it’s a very different year from normal. I definitely think Severance makes sense as a clear winner
A lot of great points! I totally agree that the placement on the lists can be an issue with MC, as there is a huge difference between certain placements (outside of 1,2,10 etc) that are awarded the same number of points. That’s why I think the dominance of Severance in the “other list” category is so important. So unless that changes drastically I’ll personally consider Severance the winner (not that anyone gives a sh*t about what I personally think).
I think Severance has quite a bit of passion. While I agree that people have had more time to watch it, I think it also speaks to the strength of the show that it was released almost a year ago and still did so well.
With BCS, I do wonder if some of the many high placements are an homage/sentimental pick as a nod to the series as a whole as opposed to solely judging this season on its strength alone (as was done with Severance, The Bear, etc.). So there is that factor (maybe).
I think the list bodes well for Severance at the GG and CC, and I have it predicted, but who knows!
Really appreciate all the work you’ve done with the lists on here! Thank you!
ReplyCopy URLDecember 31, 2022 at 11:19 pm #1205217553netflix
2022 – 0/top 10
2021 – 1/top 10
2020 – 1/top 10
cindy holland leaving really did make them walmart huh?
ReplyCopy URLJanuary 1, 2023 at 2:03 am #1205217574netflix
2022 – 0/top 10
2021 – 1/top 10
2020 – 1/top 10
cindy holland leaving really did make them walmart huh?
I don’t think they are even sending majority of their series for critics anymore, except for Wednesday and The Crown. Or critics just moved on because every new show from them is struggling to get even 10 reviews these days.
ReplyCopy URLFYC:
The HBO darlings everywhere (The Last of Us, Succession, The White Lotus, Perry Mason, Somebody Somewhere, White House Plumbers, Love & Death);
The Apple gang (Bad Sisters, Slow Horses, Shrinking, Ted Lasso, Black Bird);
Poker Face, The Great, The Bear, Evil (especially Katja Herbers) and The Good Fight.Please! These gays, they're trying to murder me!
January 1, 2023 at 2:13 am #1205217578Looking at the lists, Queen’s Gambit was their last hurrah, a hit wbk, Kate robbed Anya and we will forever riot. (I know Michaela was better than both).
ReplyCopy URLFYC:
The HBO darlings everywhere (The Last of Us, Succession, The White Lotus, Perry Mason, Somebody Somewhere, White House Plumbers, Love & Death);
The Apple gang (Bad Sisters, Slow Horses, Shrinking, Ted Lasso, Black Bird);
Poker Face, The Great, The Bear, Evil (especially Katja Herbers) and The Good Fight.Please! These gays, they're trying to murder me!
January 1, 2023 at 4:28 am #1205217624This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.January 1, 2023 at 4:35 am #1205217630I don’t think they are even sending majority of their series for critics anymore, except for Wednesday and The Crown. Or critics just moved on because every new show from them is struggling to get even 10 reviews these days.
Netflix do put out some garbage, but I do think reviewers have an inherent bias that seeps through and they don’t afford them the grace they do with other networks and they do tend to have a tendency to project their beliefs of Netflix viewers intelligence through them
Both She Hulk and Ms Marvel, IP series with female leads, were afforded a lot more grace than Wednesday for reasons I was never particularly clear on.
The Rings of Power was afforded a ridiculous about of leeway compared to The Sandman for spending a lot of time worldbuilding.
Stranger Things had reams of time spent on how “people won’t go back to this because it’s too long” which is more an (incorrect projection) than a review.
January 1, 2023 at 4:34 pm #1205217956Forbes and RadioTimes.com both came out with Severance at #1.
ReplyCopy URLJanuary 4, 2023 at 7:35 pm #1205220960https://www.metacritic.com/feature/tv-critics-pick-10-best-tv-shows-of-2022
Jan 4 update. Andor has overtaken Better Call Saul by two points, but Severance has a 5.5 point lead and is in first. I think House of the Dragon also made a pretty dramatic leap to seventh place. The Sandman and The Patient were also added
ReplyCopy URLJanuary 4, 2023 at 8:11 pm #1205221037Interesting that both 2020 and 2021 had a very clear frontrunner (I May Destroy You and Succession being respectively 74 and 52 points above the shows in second), but it looks like Severance, Andor, Better Call Saul, and The Bear are all going to end up roughly neck-and-neck.
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