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    I think what this tells us is that popularity matters no matter what. Game of Thrones was the most popular show in the world for about 5 years and despite the fact the final seasons sullied its memory for many people it still won over shows whose reputations were still intact or even elevated after they ended.

    I think however there’s a fair argument to be made that’s only the case with shows, and it’s a bit more nuanced with performances and you do need to separate the pop culture/gossip/etc press from the rest?

    I don’t think anyone would rate the gen-pop popularity of the female GoT cast in the rank they got votes (however I don’t think any of those actresses would get a “who?” from gen pop on a casting announcement).

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    I think however there’s a fair argument to be made that’s only the case with shows, and it’s a bit more nuanced with performances and you do need to separate the pop culture/gossip/etc press from the rest?

    I mean maybe? I don’t really see how one would go about quantifying or proving it. If people are passionate about shows they will be passionate about the actors. All you can really go on is your gut and our guts seem to be telling us different things.

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    I mean maybe? I don’t really see how one would go about quantifying or proving it. If people are passionate about shows they will be passionate about the actors. All you can really go on is your gut and our guts seem to be telling us different things.

    It’s more about people (not you, specifically) making the argument around general fame and or social media followers or how often someone is in the press and for what, which are definitely things you can quantify.

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    I think when you really like a show, you will be inclined to vote for almost all/as many actors of the show (during nominations phase) unless you hate his/her interpretation by a lot. Same with GoT. It’s natural. But when it comes to winners, I think likability of a show does play it’s part but more than that, I think people vote for performances irrespective of the gossip of it or the hype of the show. You might vote for the entire Game Of Thrones cast down the ballot during nominations because it’s one of your top 3 shows but when voting for winners, you might give the show the Series and vote for the performance you liked the most as opposed to what’s the buzziest.

    Emmy FYC
    -Severance in all categories.
    -Ted Lasso in all categories.
    -The Dropout in all categories.

    -Jennifer Coolidge, Connie Britton, Margaret Qualley, Colin Firth
    -Jung Ho-Yeon, Lee Yoo-Mi, Sarah Snook, Laura Linney.
    -Jean Smart, Kaley Cuoco, Juno Temple, Sarah Lancashire and Martin Short.

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    I think when you really like a show, you will be inclined to vote for almost all/as many actors of the show (during nominations phase) unless you hate his/her interpretation by a lot. Same with GoT. It’s natural.

    I have a question re the breakdown in those races – I don’t know if you can answer it (and you don’t need to get into specifics)

    When there’s multiple nominees in a race, is there a pattern as to votes? ie are there certain people that emerge as “true” coattails (ie the people who show up only if people are voting for everyone – guessing here Fennell, Turner, Wiley) and/or are there pairs?

    For instance, my perception (knowing GoT fans from a more general perspective) is that, say, Coster-Waldau and Harington wouldn’t have very strong correlation, whereas Coster-Waldau and Christie would have very strong correlation.

     

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    I have a question re the breakdown in those races – I don’t know if you can answer it (and you don’t need to get into specifics)

    When there’s multiple nominees in a race, is there a pattern as to votes? ie are there certain people that emerge as “true” coattails (ie the people who show up only if people are voting for everyone – guessing here Fennell, Turner, Wiley) and/or are there pairs?

    For instance, my perception (knowing GoT fans from a more general perspective) is that, say, Coster-Waldau and Harington wouldn’t have very strong correlation, whereas Coster-Waldau and Christie would have very strong correlation.

    While I’ve deleted the records now so I can’t say that for much certainty, I remember noticing that the trio of Clarke-Christie-Headey were common to a lot of ballots while those who voted for Anderson also likely voted for Bonham Carter (although not Kirby which might be because both Carter and Kirby play the same character). Kirby didn’t follow any such correlation. With regards to true coattails like Sophie Turner or Emerald Fennell, I don’t have that much of an idea, the reason being they made into very few ballots. I think both Dowd and Strahovski were not appearing as a duo, rather more so individually, which might explain why both missed.

    P.S.: I can’t tell if there is any correlation between two separate ballots since I don’t know who casts a particular ballot.

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    -Severance in all categories.
    -Ted Lasso in all categories.
    -The Dropout in all categories.

    -Jennifer Coolidge, Connie Britton, Margaret Qualley, Colin Firth
    -Jung Ho-Yeon, Lee Yoo-Mi, Sarah Snook, Laura Linney.
    -Jean Smart, Kaley Cuoco, Juno Temple, Sarah Lancashire and Martin Short.

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    While I’ve deleted the records now so I can’t say that for much certainty, I remember noticing that the trio of Clarke-Christie-Headey were common to a lot of ballots while those who voted for Anderson also likely voted for Bonham Carter (although not Kirby which might be because both Carter and Kirby play the same character). Kirby didn’t follow any such correlation. With regards to true coattails like Sophie Turner or Emerald Fennell, I don’t have that much of an idea, the reason being they made into very few ballots. I think both Dowd and Strahovski were not appearing as a duo, rather more so individually, which might explain why both missed.

    I think these make sense? Kirby does feel a bit more lone wolf, Anderson/Bonham Carter appeared frequently together at winter awards.

    I *think* the GoT trio makes sense, though I can’t <i>entirely </i>articulate why.

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    I *think* the GoT trio makes sense, though I can’t <i>entirely </i>articulate why.

    Something like how Stonestreet-Burrell-Ferguson-O’Neill getting votes as a combo. I think when you have casts like these (Modern Family, Game Of Thrones etc) where there isn’t exactly a very clear lead and you can run all in supporting, voting for one is less common than voting for many together. It’s just something I think might be possible. These shows have several simulatenous plotlines (which are connected by a common thread) which might explain why (a) they have a very wide net of voters (b) if you like the cast as a whole, you might pick up one actor per plotline.
    (If any of what I said makes sense)

    Emmy FYC
    -Severance in all categories.
    -Ted Lasso in all categories.
    -The Dropout in all categories.

    -Jennifer Coolidge, Connie Britton, Margaret Qualley, Colin Firth
    -Jung Ho-Yeon, Lee Yoo-Mi, Sarah Snook, Laura Linney.
    -Jean Smart, Kaley Cuoco, Juno Temple, Sarah Lancashire and Martin Short.

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    (If any of what I said makes sense)

    It does, especially for Headey and Clarke. Christie having similar votes to Clarke is somewhat surprising (especially given she’s the closest to guest most seasons and the other two are the only ones who you could really ever justify as lead) but I tend to think Clarke’s performance is at least a little divisive.

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    Why 8 in limited series and supporting categories but 5 in writing and directing?

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    "The Good Fight", "The Other Two" and "Station Eleven" in all categories, Sarah Lancashire ("Julia"), William Jackson Harper ("Love Life") and Luke Kirby ("The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel")

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    Seems like the Fargo seasons should be broken up no? They are all individual, separate seasons/series.

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    Why 8 in limited series and supporting categories but 5 in writing and directing?

    If you say a number per category/or unlimited, I’ll change it and post the links again. 😊

    Emmy FYC
    -Severance in all categories.
    -Ted Lasso in all categories.
    -The Dropout in all categories.

    -Jennifer Coolidge, Connie Britton, Margaret Qualley, Colin Firth
    -Jung Ho-Yeon, Lee Yoo-Mi, Sarah Snook, Laura Linney.
    -Jean Smart, Kaley Cuoco, Juno Temple, Sarah Lancashire and Martin Short.

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    Seems like the Fargo seasons should be broken up no? They are all individual, separate seasons/series.

    They are. But since there’s no prefix clause or suffix clause to differentiate between individual seasons (the way it is for ACS and AHS), it might create a lot of confusion, hence to avoid the show being at a disadvantage due to it, I made it into one.

    Emmy FYC
    -Severance in all categories.
    -Ted Lasso in all categories.
    -The Dropout in all categories.

    -Jennifer Coolidge, Connie Britton, Margaret Qualley, Colin Firth
    -Jung Ho-Yeon, Lee Yoo-Mi, Sarah Snook, Laura Linney.
    -Jean Smart, Kaley Cuoco, Juno Temple, Sarah Lancashire and Martin Short.

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    I feel that can still give them an unfair advantage since you’re voting for all the seasons despite the fan base being very vocal and divided in which season they feel is the best. It’s probably the most discussed topic on the subreddit. People should know the different seasons here.

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    If you say a number per category/or unlimited, I’ll change it and post the links again. 😊

    Maybe 6 for each? That way you’re fitting what most of these categories’ slots were at last year’s Emmys whilst also adding an extra slot in limited series and both lead categories.

    I also think it would be better to separate limited series and TV movie. It’s unfair on films like The Tale and Bad Education because most people will just check off limited series on a poll that is titled limited series.

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    "The Good Fight", "The Other Two" and "Station Eleven" in all categories, Sarah Lancashire ("Julia"), William Jackson Harper ("Love Life") and Luke Kirby ("The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel")

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