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    John Nguyen
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    I honestly find the Emmys a lot more interesting and more unpredictable than the oscars.

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    Google Trends are fine if you know how to read them but it takes time. Shows are ok. Performers you need to pinpoint whether they’re buzzy for their performance or something else together.

    I think it’s really useful with performers if you’re comparing those who are of a very similar status in the public consciousness and/or are competing in the same awards field (i.e. Lily James, Elle Fanning, Anne Hathaway and Amanda Seyfried are all well known female American actors in true crime series airing around the same time, with three of their shows being on the same streaming service).

    But even then Laura Linney (who of course is a beloved industry veteran and has 4 Emmy wins and 3 Oscar nominations) and Sandra Oh (who has 12 Emmy nominations) are simply not going to be able to compete with the overall and overwhelming internet popularity that Zendaya has.

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    "The Good Fight", "The Other Two" and "Station Eleven" in all categories, Sarah Lancashire ("Julia"), William Jackson Harper ("Love Life") and Luke Kirby ("The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel")

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    I honestly find the Emmys a lot more interesting and more unpredictable than the oscars.

    If you follow the Oscars even moderately, almost nothing is a true surprise. The Emmys will still throw you completely unexpected WTF noms (both good and bad) and are almost always a better representation of popular culture than the Oscars of the year.

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    If you follow the Oscars even moderately, almost nothing is a true surprise. The Emmys will still throw you completely unexpected WTF noms (both good and bad) and are almost always a better representation of popular culture than the Oscars of the year.

    I think one of the major reasons why is they don’t follow the winter awards as precursors compare to the oscars because the Emmys have different eligibility dates. Zendaya won with only a critics choice nomination, no golden globes or sag nominations at all. Also the shows they nominated people actually watch there more likely to nominated mainstream shows. compare to oscars that usually nominated Oscar bait films that nobody really watches

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    Hannah Waddingham still gave the better performance out of the two supporting ladies on Ted Lasso this season. Don’t get me wrong Juno Temple was excellent (and is deserving of a nomination) but Waddingham just simply does more with her material with less narrative prominence (and in quite a few episodes of this season, less screen time). She’s a hilarious, heartbreaking and raw presence and that’s without even beginning to mention the showcase of her talents that is “No Weddings and a Funeral”. I personally wouldn’t give her a repeat win but it will be well deserved if she does repeat in September.

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    "The Good Fight", "The Other Two" and "Station Eleven" in all categories, Sarah Lancashire ("Julia"), William Jackson Harper ("Love Life") and Luke Kirby ("The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel")

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    As phenomenal as Jean Smart was , I still think Kaley Cuoco deserved the Emmy.

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    Whew this will be unpopular:

    Where was all of this Severance buzz for the first season of Homecoming? I think that was a better season of television, and explored pretty similar themes with a more arresting visual style, held together by what I believe was a better lead performance. Taking awards (which obviously favour hour-long shows in the drama categories) out of the equation, I actually think the half-hour format would’ve helped Severance, which feels drawn out and laboured at times.

    FYC: Station Eleven in all categories

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    Whew this will be unpopular: Where was all of this Severance buzz for the first season of Homecoming? I think that was a better season of television, and explored pretty similar themes with a more arresting visual style, held together by what I believe was a better lead performance. Taking awards (which obviously favour hour-long shows in the drama categories) out of the equation, I actually think the half-hour format would’ve helped Severance, which feels drawn out and laboured at times.

    Similar themes and aesthetic but totally different shows. Homecoming was cold and clinical to prove a point via detachment. Severance is warm and all about human relationships and authenticity.

    Bill Hader and Barry in everything (2 babka)
    The Great - Elle Fanning, Nicholas Hoult and comedy writing and directing

    Severance in drama series, writing, Adam Scott for best actor, Ben Stiller for drama directing, and the whole cast in supporting.

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    Fleabag absolutely deserved its Emmy wins (and should have also won guest actress and been nominated for and won supporting actor) but it’s so irritating how since its breakout and awards sweep American television critics (and now British ones too) keep comparing every single British dramedy that has come since to it when a lot of them have almost nothing in common with it in aesthetic, tone, subject matter and even in some cases genre. I appreciate that it’s really all a business game at the the end of the day and about trying to sell and target a show to American audiences by using comparisons to shows they’re very familiar with but it really just feels like it does some of these shows and their creators dirt. Shows like I Hate Suzie, I May Destroy You and Sex Education have crafted very distinct (and in the former two case’s original) identities and weave such compelling and different subtexts into their output through the dramedy lens that it’s so disappointing how they haven’t really been standing out on their own in conversations in certain online circles due to the success of another recent great yet very different show. I guess you could say at least I May Destroy You had a very sizeable cultural breakthrough on its own but even then it was disappointing to see it often compared to Fleabag yet not receive anywhere near the recognition that show got (which it really deserved to).

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    "The Good Fight", "The Other Two" and "Station Eleven" in all categories, Sarah Lancashire ("Julia"), William Jackson Harper ("Love Life") and Luke Kirby ("The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel")

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    Fleabag absolutely deserved its Emmy wins

    Yeah I agree with your take here – I think Fleabag deserved it’s wins but I was often perplexed and slightly irritated by the narrative around it. Everytime I see that I’m like “so…it’s….British?” As an Australian who’s pretty much been exposed to 50/50 imports it really made me realise for Americans it’s probably been 90/10 for years.

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    Fleabag absolutely deserved its Emmy wins

    Pretty much agree with everything you said, BUT…did it really deserve to beat “ronny/lily” in Directing?? I’m not sure lol.
    I also just think maybe a lot of major American critics don’t have a very vast appreciation of British sitcoms. Also, it’s usually hard for British shows to break into the mainstream here, I think, so with Fleabag being one of the major ones that did and had American award success, it might just be an easier comparison in their eyes for American readers. Just a guess.

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    Pretty much agree with everything you said, BUT…did it really deserve to beat “ronny/lily” in Directing?? I’m not sure lol. 

    When we think it deserved the Emmy, it doesn’t mean that there wasn’t any better candidate. What we mean is that it’s great enough for us to appreciate its win(s). Not gonna lie, “ronny/lily” slapped.

    "The Lost Daughter" in every eligible category - Film
    "Succession" Season 3 in every eligible category - TV
    "Heaux Tales" by Jasmine Sullivan in every eligible category - Music

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    Pretty much agree with everything you said, BUT…did it really deserve to beat “ronny/lily” in Directing??

    My feelings on this are sort of what @Melvinezq outlines above. It wasn’t my personal winner in directing (which was Ronny/lily) or in series (where it was runner up for me to season 1 of Russian Doll) but it stood out enough on its own emblems for the win to be one that is appreciated. Personally for me the only comedy series winner that was stronger in the past decade than Fleabag was Veep season 5 and I would have taken its directing win any day over Schitt’s Creek and Hacks‘ (even though both of those shows are great, although are neither are very compelling directing showcases).

    I do understand and appreciate that British sitcoms don’t tend to break through in the mainstream much and that American television critics are doing no wrong and are trying to help these series breaking through by comparing them to Fleabag but I guess my overall sentiment here is that it becomes a bit irritating when even after a show has achieved its own success both in the market and in critical and industry love, it sort of sticks. Even over here lots of different auteur driven comedies and dramedies (both past and present) have been re-evaluated using the Fleabag lens which just feels very disappointing to see. This doesn’t even apply to shows that are very fringe and could use the exposure from such comparisons. Miranda was a very successful and zeitgeisty show over here and made a household name out of its titular star and was often used as the template of comparison for new gutsier and often female led comedies (ironically like a show like Fleabag) and now it almost feels like it’s often put on a lower pedestal and often compared to Fleabag when written about in the trades due to the sheer success of the latter. Admittedly it does make for a much worthier comparison than say Sex Education does with Fleabag considering that both have overlying themes relating to isolation in your 30s but even then one is a multi-camera sitcom and the other is a tragicomedy.

    I realised I’ve written a bit too much of a rant but I guess what I’m trying to say is it’s just disappointing to see so many other great shows since Fleabag being (often indirectly) placed in the shadow of it with each of these constant lumping and comparisons in the trades. Even though we often talk about the golden age of character driven dramatic television that was started by shows like The Sopranos in the late 1990s, each of the shows that have come as a result of that revolution in television (The Wire, Mad Men, Lost, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, The Good Wife, Succession, The Americans etc) haven’t really suffered that same fate of being in one great show’s shadow. Neither have newer dramas or even under-seen and often underrated ones (like say Halt and Catch Fire or The Leftovers) with similar roots. And rightfully so because they deserve to stand out on their own.

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    "The Good Fight", "The Other Two" and "Station Eleven" in all categories, Sarah Lancashire ("Julia"), William Jackson Harper ("Love Life") and Luke Kirby ("The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel")

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    When we think it deserved the Emmy, it doesn’t mean that there wasn’t any better candidate. What we mean is that it’s great enough for us to appreciate its win(s). Not gonna lie, “ronny/lily” slapped.

    This is such an important distinction. I can live with my 5th choice winning as long it’s over my 6th choice more often than not. Sometimes these episodes are separated by a razor wire and is dependent on my mood the day you ask me even. Ron/Lilly was my choice.

    Barry probably split their own votes with two nominations and at least Big Bang Theory didn’t win. Or even Maisel for that matter.

    I’ve been fine with the Maisel wins. Doesn’t mean I think it was the best comedy those years but it wasn’t a horrible choice either.

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    Barry probably split their own votes with two nominations

    I don’t think Vote Splitting was a factor here. It was very obvious that “ronny/lily” was THE Barry choice in the category which was directed by Bill Hader.

    Emmy FYC
    -Severance in all categories.
    -Ted Lasso in all categories.
    -The Dropout in all categories.

    -Jennifer Coolidge, Connie Britton, Margaret Qualley, Colin Firth
    -Jung Ho-Yeon, Lee Yoo-Mi, Sarah Snook, Laura Linney.
    -Jean Smart, Kaley Cuoco, Juno Temple, Sarah Lancashire and Martin Short.

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