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    Joshua Caleb Johnson in “The Good Lord Bird”. He was clearly the lead. Hawke was the co-lead in the show, not him.

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    Would it? It couldn’t beat a non-DGA nominated episode from its own show at the Emmys or capitalise on a very opportune vote-split at DGA. Not to mention Succession would’ve probably gotten Hunting nominated without Watchmen eligible there so..

    yes, it would have. No point going back and forth because it didn’t happen, but the winter awards run of Succession everywhere except SAG that continued until Emmy night, compared to GOT’s floundering, makes it pretty clear who the winner would’ve been. Hunting winning the Emmy shows the strength of the show amongst directors rather than the weakness of a particular episode to me (if the basis of your argument was that This is Not For Tears was weak then you’ve already lost).

    i also don’t think HBO “played dirty” by putting Watchmen in drama so it was competing with Succession/GOT instead of Chernobyl. They were winning both of those DGAs regardless. I think Watchmen was a clear case of they didn’t know if a next season was real, and then as soon as it was confirmed they hiked it to limited so Succession could take drama. But in the winter? Between Chernobyl, Watchmen, and Succession it didn’t matter. (Casey Bloys is too damn good at his job)

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    Unbelievable was robbed in that category. Also, Unorthodox was my least favorite in the lineup. 🤷🏽 I thought the direction was its weakest aspect — but that’s just me.

    I agree. I’ve actually seen people claim that it still would’ve won without the Watchmen vote split which is just delusional. If Watchmen got 2 episodes in (as opposed to 3) it would’ve won.

    FYC: Station Eleven in all categories

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    yes, it would have. No point going back and forth because it didn’t happen, but the winter awards run of Succession everywhere except SAG that continued until Emmy night, compared to GOT’s floundering, makes it pretty clear who the winner would’ve been. Hunting winning the Emmy shows the strength of the show amongst directors rather than the weakness of a particular episode to me (if the basis of your argument was that This is Not For Tears was weak then you’ve already lost).

    If the argument for Succession winning is simply based on its general strength then yeah this discussion is pointless, especially when it actually lost to a show it was so far beating everywhere. GoT’s performance at the winter awards was largely in line with how it performed at its peak so no it wasn’t floundering. This is Not For Tears having perfect opportunities of winning at both DGA and Emmys, being heavily predicted to achieve the same and then being upset is clearly not an indication of its relative weakness with directors but whatever. I agree there’s no point in going back and forth on a trivial topic like this.

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    I know this isn’t exactly category fraud…. but how the hell did anyone think of submitting Ellen Burstyn for Mrs. Harris in the first place?
    I’m aware her nomination was a result of lazy voting/name checking and that rules have been altered ever since, but it’s a freaking 14 second performance. It took me longer to write this.

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    We’ve discussed Elisabeth Moss category placement for Mad Men (when she went supporting in Season 3). I understand how she can be considered a co-lead to Jon Hamm, but what do you guys think about January Jones (nominated once in Lead and later dropped to Supporting, where she was never nominated again) and Jessica Paré (who I’m certain submitted in Lead at some point)?

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    2 weeks ago i watched this tv movie Live from Baghdad. Althought it was entertaining i dont understand how Helena Bonham Carter was nominated in Lead where in fact if you watch the film she was really supporting and she doesn’t even had that “big moment” to warrant a nomination. The real leading performer was not even nominated. It was Michael Keaton.

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    Allowing Donald Trump’s nominations for The Apprentice to retroactively stand after his countless false claims of election fraud and inciting the Capitol riots is category fraud, in my opinion. I personally think that if you cross a certain moral line, your nominations and/or wins should be stripped from the record. If that’s too harsh, so be it, but I stand my ground.

    And yes, if you’re wondering, such stripping of nominations and wins would also extend to sexual perverts like Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.

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    We’ve discussed Elisabeth Moss category placement for Mad Men (when she went supporting in Season 3). I understand how she can be considered a co-lead to Jon Hamm, but what do you guys think about January Jones (nominated once in Lead and later dropped to Supporting, where she was never nominated again) and Jessica Paré (who I’m certain submitted in Lead at some point)?

    I would never have considered Pare lead though she does have a short arc there with a lot of screentime.

    There’s definitely a season there (sorry, it’s been a while since a rewatch) where I thought Jones was valid for lead. Maybe 1 or 2?

    Moss is a “weak” lead (in terms of screentime, not talent) even in the years she submitted in lead and in some ways Mad Men is deceptive. It’s really only when you get to the final season you realise it was more or less Peggy and Don’s story all along.

     

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    Tawny Cypress and Juliette Lewis being in supporting in the predictions centre for Yellowjackets reminded me of this thread.

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    Wait, Cypress is in Supporting as well. assumed she and Lynskey would both be lead since their the first credited whilst Lewis & Ricci get the “with, and”.

    Guess Showtime are confident in getting Lynskey a win.

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