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    Tom O'Neil
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    Has it been industry jealousy over the company being so successful? For it having the sexy cache in Hollywood as the media outlet where peeps would most like to make a deal? The reason can’t just be because it’s a streaming service instead of an actual cable/broadcast show — look at the early Best series wins by Hulu (Handmaid’s) and Amazon (transparent, Mrs. Maisel).

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    I think it’s simply because their competiton has been tough every year. Granted, OITNB should have been an easy winner in 2014, but Modern Family was a still a juggernaut that was still winning, alongisde the Emmy, PGA and SAG after 4 years.

    Stranger Things in 2017 probably came very close, but the Academy just happened to like THT more.

    It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!

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    I think it’s simply because their competiton has been tough every year. Granted, OITNB should have been an easy winner in 2014, but Modern Family was a still a juggernaut that was still winning, alongisde the Emmy, PGA and SAG after 4 years.

    I agree. Stranger Things and OITNB were probably second in 2014 and 2017. Had The Crown S3 actually competed against Thrones it would likely have been very competitive. Perhaps an early push towards limited would have worked.

    They also tend to recruit creators rather than attract the awards-end of the actors. There is almost no movement of HBO nominees to Netflix, for instance.

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    Their show had never been the best among the nominees before this year (they had The Crown that is so deserving although I think P-Valley might’ve been a better winner had it been nominated), so…

    "The Lost Daughter" in every eligible category - Film
    "Succession" Season 3 in every eligible category - TV
    "Heaux Tales" by Jasmine Sullivan in every eligible category - Music

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    Netflix’s problem is that whilst they do generate shows that are some of the most popular not only on an industry scale but also on a global one (Stranger ThingsOzark etc), they suffer from releasing their shows all in one go as opposed to the weekly structure that HBO, Hulu, Apple etc use. Stranger Things is a show that has universal appeal and is well liked and tops their charts every year but it doesn’t have the conversation staying power that shows like SuccessionThe Handmaid’s Tale etc have when they are airing across 7 to 12 weeks. The Queen’s Gambit is a cultural phenomenon towards the end of last year but what really might end up hurting it when it comes to the series win this year is that almost every show its competing against has only continued to build up visibility, buzz and passion.

    This is something I’d actually argue has partly hurt the first “all in one release” series winner The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel from really coming close to winning series again or getting back into a category like writing at the Emmys even as it continues to get in at the WGA. What really helped it in particular was that Amazon Prime is not a widely used service like Netflix is. A significant number of those who watch shows on Netflix watch them purely for the sake that they’re on Netflix rather than actively seeking them out. That wasn’t really the case with Maisel which only just continued to build word of mouth buzz in its first season and voters continued to discover it but once it had built up a strong viewer base who were ready to watch the show as soon as it dropped, it became vulnerable to shows like Barry and Fleabag that year at the Emmys as they kept building buzz close to voting (the former due to HBO’s weekly release structure and the latter due to growing critical and industry adoration) even though it had swept the winter awards for a sophomore season that received a stronger reception than its first.

    What should help it win drama series this year for The Crown is that unlike its previous contenders, the show has only stayed in the conversation. Not only due to the ongoing real-life drama with the British royal family but because it’s a show that voters have largely respected until now and has only really appealed to a certain viewer demographic. But now with the strong word of mouth due to the introduction of Princess Diana into its story, its depiction of Thatcher’s Britain and events that are in living memory of more of these voters it has only grown in mainstream appeal and voters (and general audiences) have begun to catch up on it as time has progressed this Emmy season.

    Oscars FYC:
    "THE POWER OF THE DOG" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "SPENCER" – In all categories especially Director (Pablo Larrain) and Actress (Kristen Stewart)
    "SHIVA BABY" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "TOGETHER" – Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "FLEE" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "LAST NIGHT IN SOHO" – Director (Edgar Wright), S. Actress (Anya Taylor-Joy/Diana Rigg), Cinematography, Costume Design and Production Design

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    Orange is the New Black (seasons 1 and 2)
    The Crown (season 2)
    Ozark (season 3)

    would’ve all been deserving winners

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    Orange is the New Black (seasons 1 and 2) The Crown (season 2) Ozark (season 3) would’ve all been deserving winners

    Oscars FYC:
    "THE POWER OF THE DOG" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "SPENCER" – In all categories especially Director (Pablo Larrain) and Actress (Kristen Stewart)
    "SHIVA BABY" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "TOGETHER" – Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "FLEE" – IN ALL CATEGORIES
    "LAST NIGHT IN SOHO" – Director (Edgar Wright), S. Actress (Anya Taylor-Joy/Diana Rigg), Cinematography, Costume Design and Production Design

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    In the past, a mix of badluck / buzz fading due to the streaming dump (2017 in particular is bad luck, if Handmaids Tale hadn’t come along they would’ve been first and second in series with Stranger Things and The Crown).

    Looking ahead to the future, I think quite honestly their business model is more interested in volume and less interested in quality and the trophies are going to start reflecting that. They also feel risk-averse. A crime drama starring Jason Bateman and Laura Linney looks like a slam dunk, but there’s nothing different about it, especially compared to some of HBO and Hulu’s more interesting programming. (EDIT, that being said, there is a Russian Doll gif above me which does somewhat disprove this because that was an outside the box show starring hardly a big name).

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    they suffer from releasing their shows all in one go as opposed to the weekly structure that HBO,

    Yep, this is an increasing problem.

    I feel like if they’re not going to change their model they maybe should look at rolling out half seasons at a time or similar to keep buzz going (they do seem to be moving towards this).

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    Had The Crown S3 actually competed against Thrones it would likely have been very competitive

    Han? Competitive for the second place right?

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    Netflix drops too much content at the same time and people just can’t keep following.
    Their focus on quantity over quality always comes back to bite them awards wise, but it’s way good money wise so i think they’re okay with it.

    That said, they are finally winning one, potentially two this year.

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    The Crown s3 wouldn’t have been competitive against Game of Thrones when it lacked passion and underperformed in the acting categories.

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    Looking ahead to the future, I think quite honestly their business model is more interested in volume and less interested in quality and the trophies are going to start reflecting that.

    I think this is valid. I’ve said this a number of times on these boards but their drama strategy past the next couple of years is quite hard to grasp.

    They also have the market for genre (The Witcher, Lucifer, The Umbrella Academy, Shadow and Bone, Sweet Tooth are all popcorn hits, even Lost in Space was sustainable for several seasons) but they’re going to need something with better casting and production values to break through there.

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    A combination of stronger competition during their strongest shows peaks and never focusing down on the one contender that can actually win.

    I do wonder if Black Mirror S4 had to compete in Limited in 2018 if it would’ve won over Versace. It had its most acclaimed series (and episodes); overpeformed in acting; won Writing again; won Editing and managed to win PGA in a BLL-less field.

    Oscars FYC:

    "CODA" – in all categories

    "Everybody's Talking About Jamie" – Sup. Actor (Richard E. Grant), Sup. Actress (Sarah Lancashire) and Original Song (“This Was Me”)

    "King Richard" – Original Song (“Be Alive”)

    "Summer of Soul" – Picture, Film Editing and Documentary Feature

    “The Green Knight” – in all categories

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    The Crown s3 wouldn’t have been competitive against Game of Thrones when it lacked passion and underperformed in the acting categories.

    If it had in competition that year it would probably be behind Ozark and Killing Eve as well 💀
    That season lacked everything Emmy voters like, and underperformed with actors way too much.

    I do think it’s a very underrated season tho.

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