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May 26, 2022 at 9:34 am #1204964385
Haddish submitted herself, was not submitted by NBC
I remember Chris or someone from Goldderby mentioning that Haddish submitted herself before NBC could and that the latter had no intention of not putting her on the ballot.
ReplyMay 26, 2022 at 2:17 am #1204964103When was the last time that happened in the same category, though?
Maya Rudolph for Comedy Guest Actress in 2020?
ReplyMay 26, 2022 at 2:04 am #1204964099I think it was JV (not sure) who pointed out that an actor who’s won an individual Drama SAG for a Supporting performance has never lost the Emmy.
Not true. Both Oh and Wilson didn’t win for Grey’s. Technically, even Smith doesn’t count since she won the SAG for S3.
..unless you are talking about wins under the current system. Though all of them (Lithgow, Dinklage, Anderson) were considered locks by this point and barely had anyone strong enough to challenge them. Not exactly a strong precedent for HoYeon but I am leaning more and more towards her with each passing day. This season of Ozark was kind of a non-event, relatively to S3 at least. Garner skipping a season probably helps the voters to move on to someone fresh this time.
ReplyMay 24, 2022 at 9:32 am #1204962232PWB actually had buzz for her acting tho people love running the narrative here that her win is pretty unpopular because this site is full of JLD stans but her acting was raved on social media as much as her writing.
There was buzz for her acting in the same way there’s buzz for Brunson’s acting or there was for Glover’s. It was most certainly not an actual singling out of the performance that you are seeing with Hader this year or other auteurs like Adlon and Coel in the past. People were pushing the show and her to win but that’s a wildly different thing than what you claim. The difference here is perfectly illustrated by the Quinta Brunson deserves an Emmy and Janelle James deserves an Emmy tweets. Feel like you are conflating the two.
Fleabag was the frontrunner in writing by far where it had 4 times the number of people predicting it to win than PWB in actress. The fact that many people thought Fleabag would and could win series without PWB says it all. Saying the acting and the writing had equal buzz & raves is rewriting history.
And no one here ever claimed her win is unpopular? I doubt anyone is that delusional. It is here but I assure you it isn’t just the JLD stans who think she wasn’t the best in her category.
ReplyMay 23, 2022 at 6:48 am #1204961001Even as someone who prefers Ted Lasso (personal taste) as a program, I think the acting as you go down the line is stronger for Barry. My affection for the former is not going to stop me picking solid performances from Barry or blindly selecting everyone.
Very succinctly put.
ReplyMay 23, 2022 at 6:40 am #1204960992I’d argue Barry gets triple nominations in Supporting Actor before Ted Lasso. Overall, Lasso has been a bigger acting contender but I think that sort of thing becomes less of a decisive factor when it concerns shows (already embraced by the actors in a big way btw) getting those 3rd, 4th slots in a category. Like how The Handmaid’s Tale was able to get a 4th supporting actress in before The Crown last year, even though the discrepancy in their strength at that point was much bigger than between Barry and Ted Lasso will be.
Goldstein is potentially ahead of everyone involved but after that I don’t see much support for the other three guys, especially Hunt and Swift. I have Mohammed in my predictions but Nate’s heel turn was controversial to say the least, the episode centered around Coach Beard is their lowest rated one on IMDb by a significant margin and (I hope) I don’t need to mention why Swift is most likely going to be a non-factor.
Unlike the Barry supporting men, where there’s an individual prominence and appreciation for both the character and the performance of all three of Winkler, Carrigan and Root, the Ted Lasso guys largely benefitted from competing in an unimaginably weak field and that will pose a challenge for them to get back in in a year like this when there’s no individual factor to put them ahead. I think it’s telling that even CC, which gave Lasso a 4/4 sweep this year, didn’t go beyond Goldstein in this category.
Even then, Hader beating Sudeikis and Barry being a stronger overall contender is a very real possibility that the above argument might not even be wholly necessary in the end.
ReplyMay 23, 2022 at 2:17 am #120496082872 on Metacritic with 13 reviews. I think that’s good enough. The hype is big for it despite airing like three years ago which is a really good sign.
May 22, 2022 at 12:10 pm #1204960362The top 5 for a ranked ballot (updated):
1. Station Eleven (8 #1s, 3 #2s, 1 #3, 1 #4) – 57 points
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2. Maid (1 #1, 6 #2s, 4 #3s, 3 #4s, 1 #5, 2 unranked) – 54 points
3. The White Lotus (3 #1s, 2 #2s, 3 #3s, 1 #4, 3 #5s, 2 unranked) – 43 points
4. Dopesick (2 #1s, 2 #2s, 2 #4s, 1 unranked) – 25 points
5. Under the Banner of Heaven (2 #1s, 1 #2, 1 #3) – 17 pointsMay 22, 2022 at 4:50 am #12049599641. Station Eleven
2. Maid
3. Under the Banner of Heaven
4. The White LotusDefinitely prefer this year. All four shows mentioned would make great winners and just bring something different to the table, whether it be ambition, concept or execution. Only Small Axe managed to stand out like that last year otoh. Outside of it, I wasn’t really passionate about anything else even if there were a couple of other shows that I ended up liking on some level.
ReplyMay 22, 2022 at 1:43 am #1204959923Seasons or partial seasons need to be at least 6 episodes to contend for Series and main acting categories. Splitting it 5-4 would shoot themselves in the foot because it wouldn’t be eligible for either Emmy ceremony.
You only need 3 episodes to contend as a series for established shows.
May 21, 2022 at 9:43 pm #1204959773And yet they were the only awards body to nominate predictions centre 100/1 odd contenders Schitt’s Creek, The Mandalorian, Catherine O’Hara and What We Do in the Shadows just before the Emmys did the same year…
Even the Euphoria nomination in drama showed that it had the potential to be in awards conversation and not just be seen as a teen show (though that looks to be short lived now).
ReplyMay 21, 2022 at 9:29 pm #1204959762The Staircase’s audience reception hasn’t been particularly great for the type of show it is so Keaton looks likely to just complete his sweep with the Emmys imo.
As for Under the Banner of Heaven, I genuinely think it’ll do fine? Whether it be prehype or the actual content of the show, I think it has managed to stand out from the other shows of this spring. Most others are forgotten after an episode or two. It was trending the previous week on twitter and a peak of 5 and then 13th position on imdb for this moody, slow religious drama is anything but great. Most shows have slight drops in the middle of their runs so I don’t see this as a thing to worry about unless it just keeps going on. There is a positive appraisal for the show itself on some level from those who watch it, whether it be for its ambition, its execution or both (which was even reflected in the few middling critic reviews) that makes it stick in your mind. Even if you don’t love it, it’s not an instantly forgettable show like the vast majority of others and you come out with some level of appreciation for it. And in a year like this, even a more detached response like that could most likely be enough. LA Times recently listed it as one of the major contenders and I think that reflects how the relevant people view or will view its position in the race as they write about the Emmys or vote for them. In a way, perception plays a significant part in the end and an important prestige FX drama from an Oscar winner starring the hottest actor in the market right now might just be the perfect example to illustrate that.
ReplyMay 21, 2022 at 10:44 am #1204959198Mare is the only show in the 2020s to get a million on linear for HBO.
The Undoing actually had better linear ratings than Mare.
ReplyMay 20, 2022 at 1:28 pm #1204958390It went from 5 nominations in 2020 to 6 in 2021, barely eking out a series nomination …not the kind of growth you’d want when there’s a sharp decline in competition.
I think this late minor buzz helps it to achieve a similar haul as the previous few years, securing noms for people like SKB (who was looking shaky) and one or two fringe acting contenders but anything more seems like wishful thinking and people getting carried away. It’s not suddenly getting double digit noms for example or winning anything major.
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