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January 17, 2021 at 11:05 am #1203988139
They don’t reward anyone’s behaviour but it’s unethical to give a platform to alleged abusers. I don’t agree with separating someone’s actions from their professional front because abuse and sexual assault are not and should not be treated like a mere difference in opinion. It’s a crime. Such people shouldn’t even be allowed in the society let alone be garlanded with honours no matter what work they’re doing. This is really off the tangent of this forum but since when are courts the end all when it comes to justice and esp US courts lmao? Big joke. Dr. Luke is a twisted little fucker who assaulted Kesha for over a decade and did his best to completely sabotage her. We believe women here and rewarding Luke or even nominating someone like him is perhaps one of the most shameful and disgraceful things grammys have ever done. Even more when you think about how they invited Kesha to perform a little over two years ago. They clearly don’t give a fuck about ethics, moral or victims.
As they actually shouldn’t. Again, they reward excellence in music. Trax’s shit show of a past doesn’t change the fact he did well on “Say So.” Let his skill be recognized.
What’s actually “unethical” about the Grammys, even though it’s glorified bathroom talk, are things like actually entertaining campaigns and academy members not listening to all work in consideration before casting a vote.
“Such people shouldn’t even be allowed in the society.” Yes, agreed. But on what evidence? Are the mere words of an artist now enough to land someone behind bars? Words accompanied with no tangible evidence? Again, a years-long court case was held for this, and towards the end, I just knew what the sad outcome would be. It’s simply unfortunate and not enough reason to land him behind bars. This isn’t like Weinstein who (thank God) had evidence against him.
“We believe women here” Um, I used to be on this train even long before Kesha. However, it has occurred to me, especially of recent, that there are a bunch of shameless lying cows in the world today, some of whom I know on a personal level. While Kesha, I believe, does not by any means fall into this category, we shouldn’t deny the existence of demented FOOLS and downright cruel souls set out to ruin the lives of other people with abuse allegations. I’d rather have a criminal roam free with the potential of repentance (and a restraining order from their victim, of course) than convict someone of a crime they didn’t commit.January 17, 2021 at 8:54 am #1203987951
so the grammys have no morals and ethics? ok nothing new. giving accolades to abusers and criminals = dismissing victims of sexual assault and contributing in the glorification and normalisation of abuse and abusers.
Nope. Hard disagree.
Like I said, the Grammys reward excellence in music and not good behavior.
Bad behavior faces defamation, court trials and imprisonment (if it gets to all that). Regardless of the fact Trax won his case, the accusations are a huge stain on his image. So, “abusers” do on occasion get their due. Still, that does not mean that when he does something noteworthy, he should be recognized as appropriate.January 17, 2021 at 6:31 am #1203987818
If you are abusive then you don’t deserve to have your work, quality or not, being recognized and awarded
Oh, and, I forgot to add that this kind of logic doesn’t meet the current Grammy rules. The Recording Academy literally put out their set of rules last year, part of which said something in the light “Nothing other than the recording itself is considered for a Grammy.” So, by Grammy standards, this is actually wrong.January 17, 2021 at 6:25 am #1203987814
Early 2021 predictions:
1. I will have a “Blinding Lights”-style prediction this year.
2. Nearly all of Gold Derby will disagree.
3. They will expand their conspiracy theories of me. It’s currently Donald Trump himself, right now.
4. I will return on nominations day, as I did last time, to laugh HYSTERICALLY at those who doubted me.
Look, you gotta admit, it was almost supernatural how I foresaw the entirety of After Hours being (rightfully) shut out of this year’s Grammys. I mean, the predictions for this thing were SO HIGH that even Gold Derby itself had it as its most likely to win SOTY and ROTY and even AOTY. But, of course, I just knew the song and parent album were too pathetic for the Grammys.
I know that, for reasons genuinely unknown to me, I may have opinions a lot of you don’t agree (and often state facts some people choose to deny (see section “Blinding Lights,” for example)). I’ve seen that. I’m not a troll nor do I do these things just to bug people off. I only repeatedly say them to try to really dissect the root of the contrary logic and probably see things your way. Honest to God, sometimes, I wish I saw things the way you all did. I wish I could be angry at a Tyson Trax nomination, but I simply just can’t. In fact, it’s the contrary feeling for me. It amped up my respect for the Recording Academy hundred fold.
I’ll avoid “trolling” you guys as much as I can. But there are days where I just feel a strong urge to say something. Today was one of those days. What actually brought me back here was an interview Fiona Apple did late last year where she calling Tyson Trax’s nomination “bullshit.” I felt it was rather distasteful, childish, shameful and downright unprofessional of her to react that way.January 17, 2021 at 6:02 am #1203987780
If you are abusive then you don’t deserve to have your work, quality or not, being recognized and awarded
It’s a matter of opinion here. But the professional stance would be: If you make good work, you deserve to be recognized for good work. Period. Taylor Swift could be a murderer for all I care, but all I know is I want her to win her third AOTY Grammy.
“that’s all for now folks!” then you go on to make a patronising follow up post about why abusive people deserve to be recognised for their work. please just leave us alone THEORY: jennylewisfan is either dr luke or donald trump
*sings “Here We Go Again”*
First, the theory was I’m white (even though, as much as it seems to irk a lot of you here, I’m black).
Then, it became that I’m not just white, I’m also a racist.
After, it became white, racist Trump supporter.
NOW, I am Trump himself. What in the world? It baffles me how you can’t see flaws in your “logic” here.
Only stating facts, babe. With this logic that seems popular here, are you all for revoking R. Kelly’s Grammys all because of the shit show he’s in right now? Doesn’t The Pianist remain an example of what Oscar-winning directing should look like? I’m calling it out. It is simply UNPROFESSIONAL and needs to stop in forums where we’re supposed judge music objectively.
Legally, might I add, Tyson Trax didn’t do anything. I repeat, legally. He legit won the court case.
This doesn’t mean that I don’t believe Kesha. I do, especially given the fact that the same year the allegations rose up, she had a #1 hit, so, I don’t see a motive whatsoever for her. But I, as is the vast majority of the country that do believe her, am doing so at a risk. I cannot vouch on solid grounds, with evidence, that her accusations are true. I am only trusting her word. But on legal terms, given the verdict, Kesha was a clout-hungry liar who defamed Dr, Luke. Why in the solid hell should someone then be blacklisted for unproven allegations?
Baby, everyone predicted Trith Hurts to get a nom. And didn’t you predict Lose You to Love Me to win SOTY?
Not in the Pop field, not all of you. I’ll acknowledge a select few here were actually smart enough. It wasn’t until submissions came out that everyone, obviously, hopped on the “TH is pop and not Rap/Sung” train.
And yes, I predicted not necessarily Selena but JULIA MICHAELS to make an SOTY appearance, only that I harped on the wrong song. Look at my previous posts, you will see things like me CONSTANTLY highlighting the names Finneas and JULIA MICHAELS as justification for my choice. Haza! BOTH are nominated in SOTY this year.
I also predicted Christine and the Queens to be in Pop Solo. Not all my predictions have been sharp. I only highlighted the few I received intense heat for that turned out to be actualities..svg” class=”emoji”January 16, 2021 at 10:38 pm #1203987489
Now, while making your predictions, let’s not make the mistake of linking someone’s (shady) past to their Grammy chances. Tyson Trax deservedly has a Grammy nomination this year, and Fiona Apple, shamefully, has been a pained little kid about it.
Be professional, Gold Derby members. Quit being little kids. I’m glad the Recording Academy was mature enough to do the right thing. The Grammys aren’t an honor for character.
If, for instance, Trump should make a spoken word album today, and that album happens to be amazing, please, give Trump the Grammy.
Someone’s past should have no business with them winning a Grammy, unless it’s something like a Milli Vanilli that is actually music related.January 16, 2021 at 10:30 pm #1203987484
Before I get to predicting, I just want to remind everyone here of a few things:
1. In 2019, I got “honey”-ed for predicting “Truth Hurts” getting a Pop Solo nomination. Of course, it would go on to win that category.
2. In 2020, I was called several things including “racist” and “Trump supporter” for making the prediction that The Weeknd definitely wouldn’t be winning any Grammys for the lackluster After Hours. Of course, The Weeknd would go on to deservedly have zero nominations for this year.
Now it’s 2021. I haven’t kept up with the conversation for awhile to know the deranged predictions some of you are making. But I don’t doubt that 2021 will be different from my past two years here. Maybe this time I might get called an “insurrectionist.” Who knows?
Regarding predictions, all I can say for now is Positions is, at best, this year’s Changes. A pathetic body of work belonging to a big star. But “positions” would be a huge Pop Solo contender from what I can see.
Evermore seems like yet another AOTY and Pop Vocal contender, but I have my doubts about “willow.”
Lana Del Rey’s new effort seems promising. Going off her two new singles, she’s giving us Norman Fucking Rockwell! vibes, the album that landed her her first set of GF nominations. I can foresee at least a likely Pop Vocal nomination, possibly another round of AOTY and SOTY nominations.
That’s all for now, folks!November 28, 2020 at 1:18 am #1203879171
Thank you very much guys.November 27, 2020 at 1:09 am #1203877002
When I said “Please do,” I meant “Please go overboard.” Thanks for the contributions guys.
Feel free to add Metal, Jazz, New Age, World and not-so-poplar genres.November 27, 2020 at 12:13 am #1203876948
Sticking to ten because I could go on forever.
LOL. Please do.
1. I Want You To Love Me 2. Shameika 3. Fetch the Bolt Cutters 4. Under the Table 5. Relay 6. Rack of His 7. Newspaper 8. Ladies 9. Heavy Balloon 10. Cosmonauts
OK, Applehead. LOL.November 26, 2020 at 6:08 pm #1203876277
Really lovin’ the lists guys. Compiling them already. @TaylorWikoff Bon Iver’s “The Wolves (Acts 1 and 2)” aren’t exactly from the 2010’s.November 26, 2020 at 3:16 pm #1203875971
I am extremely happy right now for Beyoncé on her somewhat least aggressive campaign year to land a whopping nine nominations.
Also happy for Chilombo and Black Pumas. Pleasant surprises indeed.
Surprised to not see Post in Pop Solo but “Yummy” is a nice substitute. (I think we all knew this would happen).November 26, 2020 at 3:13 pm #1203875969
I am not surprised to see Reunions shut out of this Grammy Awards. Jason Isbell fell far below my expectations with this project.
I kind of feel Sarah Jarosz was put in Americana just so the war between her and Laura Marling in the Folk category wouldn’t happen. Congratulations to them both.November 26, 2020 at 3:08 pm #1203875954
2019: I got “honey”-ed for calling “Truth Hurts” Pop Solo just for it to win that category.
2020: I got called “racist” for refusing profusely the idea of the abomination that is After Hours winning AOTY just for The Weeknd to deservedly get zero nominations.
Let’s see what 2021 holds for me, shall we?