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May 26, 2022 at 9:59 am #1204964408
The writing on the show has definitely dropped from the level it had been for a lot of the last year and a half. A number of stories are moving at a snail’s pace, and not in a good way where the complexities are deepening and things are becoming more interesting. Chase and Brook Lynn keep taking two steps forwards, then three steps back. Anna and Valentin almost never have scenes together. Drew was in town for like six months before the Quartermaines really even talked about getting control of ELQ from Valentin. It just feels like nothing is happening for long periods of time. In other cases, things just don’t make sense from a character and/or logical point of view. I think most of the stuff with Trina, Spencer, Esme, Joss and Cam has been really good, but Nikolas’s actions in the story feel extremely contrived.
I cannot believe we’ve been anticipating Nina’s visitation hearing for weeks now, and then she essentially wilted on the stand over Diane being mean to her. What have she and Scott even been working on this whole time? Were they just arguing about whether or not to put Sonny on the stand? Diane presented a rather weak version of the case that could be made against Nina — I probably would have decided against calling someone twisted and delusional for wishing she could have raised the child that was taken from her while she was in a coma — but Nina’s response, or nonresponse, to being accused of seeking visitation out of revenge was incredibly irritating. I’m sure Sonny’s testimony, and the facial reactions from Carly, Michael and Willow, will be amusing, though since Carly doesn’t even have the results of the DNA test yet, the chances of any of that coming out in court seem slim.
Also, this is minor, but it bugs me that Finn, Laura, Kevin, etc. are going to just believe forever that Chelsea was a fraud who took advantage of Elizabeth and pretended to be the ghost of her dead husband, but Chelsea clearly told Elizabeth that there was an energy that could be from a dead or living person and that’s what they were channeling.May 24, 2022 at 8:43 am #1204962178
Interesting! This feels more in line with what the primetime awards do, where the guest performer winners are announced at the creative arts ceremony and then usually present a category at the main ceremony.May 24, 2022 at 8:38 am #1204962167
Who knows if this was even intentional, but yesterday’s episode really showed the insane double standards that some of the characters have. Michael and Willow say whatever gross, hurtful things they want to Nina, and as soon as she says something they find more offensive than, “I just want to see my grandson,” they act like she’s crossed some horrendous line. Maybe Nina shouldn’t have thrown Harmony in Willow’s face the way she did, but this was about 10 seconds after Michael compared her to Peter and acted like it was some innocuous comment on the weather. It’s really good that we’ve arrived at the hearing, because the story has likely become frustrating for everyone watching, no matter which side you support.
I loved Brad and Britt trying to point out to Carly that while she has every right to hate and distrust Nina, going to these lengths to keep her from Wiley is likely going to create problems down the road. No matter which of Carly’s past baby shenanigans people bring up — first pretending that Jason was Michael’s father and then keeping his actual father, AJ, away from him in favor of Sonny, who was in the middle of like 17 mob wars; pretending that Jax was Spencer’s father and not Nikolas; trying to steal jewelry from Avery to keep anyone else from finding out that Nelle was Nina’s daughter — she always uses the excuse that she was doing what she thought was best for the child, while Nina just wants to see Wiley for selfish reasons. This is insane, of course, since one of the major differences between Nina and Carly is that Carly’s brand of delusional makes her think that she’s a wonderful parent and grandparent whose presence is some enormous benefit to any child, while Nina’s brand of delusional makes her think that remorse and kind words will get her literally anywhere with these people who despise her. Sadly for me, no matter how this goes, it’s hard to imagine there will ever be a satisfying consequence for Michael and Willow for their ridiculous and appalling behavior.
Anyway, I hate to agree with Dante, but I think he’s right in that Sonny testifying in support of Nina will only make things worse between him and Michael and between Michael/Willow and Nina, though it may help her with getting visitation. Honestly, if Sonny is supporting Nina in this hearing, it would seem like Michael should have to have a lawyer other than Diane representing him, but of course it’s too late for that now.May 24, 2022 at 8:04 am #1204962106
Very glad that Finn is actually alive!May 23, 2022 at 10:14 am #1204961352
^^I was going to cite this performance as well. While I did find the reveal a little lackluster, Becky did a great job with the material, as did William Lipton.May 23, 2022 at 9:40 am #1204961293
I don’t think Nina is trying to act like Nelle didn’t do any of the things that she did, though Michael and Carly are certainly trying to put forth that narrative. What Nina has expressed several times is regret that she never had the chance to be an influence in Nelle’s life and maybe help her not become what she did. I’ve never seen Nina say anything like, “Nelle wasn’t so bad,” but Michael and Carly are just galled by the idea that anyone would think Nelle could have been made into a better person.
This story was still at its best, in my mind at least, shortly after the return from Nixon Falls, when there were a few very fiery confrontations between Nina and Carly where both really letting the other have it. I liked the Nina/Bobbie scenes too (outside of the prostitute dig — sadly it seems like the soaps are still talking about this kind of sexual exploitation the way they did 50 years ago). It still feels like a weird tone to me that so many people are now friends with Carly and talking about Nina like she started the plague, when I would expect more a vibe of, “What Nina did to Sonny’s family was terrible, but you know what? If anyone deserved it, it’s Carly.” It’s very easy for the large contingent of fans to dislike/despise Carly to be fully Team Nina because: 1) the writers have worked overtime to have people in town support Carly in a way that doesn’t make sense with the characters and their history; 2) Carly, Michael and Willow are constantly framing Nina’s recent actions and current intentions in a way that grossly exaggerates the truth; and 3) all Nina is trying to go is get literally any visits with her grandchild. They weren’t this proactive when Nelle was trying to get custody of Wiley! Also the lack of self-awareness in the dialogue is making me feel crazy. Willow talking about Nina needing Wiley to love her and making up for losing Nelle when, HELLO, Willow jumped into a relationship with Michael and started raising Wiley with him instead of properly grieving the loss of her own son.
The Michael/Willow love scenes were nauseating for me personally, but Chad Duell does look like he’s been working out, so good for him I guess. I agree that the Elizabeth reveal could have had more drama to it, but the performances from Rebecca Herbst and William Lipton were good.May 23, 2022 at 9:14 am #1204961226
It’s hard to gauge how strong a chance Beyond Salem has (though I’d say its drama series odds are at least better than B&B’s), but it would be quite something if it won the big award. At that point, you probably would see the other shows planning for something similar.
All of the DiMera shenanigans are pretty nonsensical. EJ and Chad alerted Li Shin that they were calling a shareholder meeting later that same day? ABSURD. And they can just call a new meeting every time they want to try to oust the CEO? Also, I don’t even so much mind that they keep switching CEOs, but it seems so bizarre that people like EJ, Chad, and Gabi tend to either be CEO or not working at the company at all. The tension would be so much better if the people who were trying to become CEO had to work under the CEO they failed to oust, etc.May 20, 2022 at 9:33 am #1204958058
Timeline-wise, based on what they’re saying, the hearing for Nina’s visitation will be very soon (“tomorrow”); Trina’s Title IX hearing will be in “10 days,” so maybe sometime week after next; and Trina’s criminal trial will be sometime after that. I hope Trina gets cleared at the Title IX hearing and we don’t have to get to the point of doing the trial.May 20, 2022 at 9:30 am #1204958046
It’s one thing when Carly and Michael are talking about Nina and not wanting her to see Wiley, but it’s always funny when someone else who’s been much less involved in the story starts talking about it. Like Bobbie saying how Nina can’t be allowed to see Wiley just seems silly, especially when they then give the reasoning that Nina will commit the horrible crime of not only acknowledging that Nelle existed but also believing that she could have possibly not been a terrible person had she had a better childhood. That’s an INSANE reason to not let someone see their grandchild. Just saying that Nina did something horrible to them and now they hate her would make so much more sense, though it’s not really morally defensible as a reason to keep her and Wiley from having visits.
I think the ending of yesterday’s episode, where Detective Violet notes to Finn that the only person who’s been around when all these things are happening is Elizabeth and then we see a spaced out Liz tearing Finn and herself apart in the drawing Violet made, was meant to be an a-ha moment that, as people have been saying, Liz is doing these things herself.May 19, 2022 at 9:25 am #1204956742
What a great season this has been. I can’t remember the last time so many people were playing the game so strongly. I loved Maryanne making a big move to get rid of Omar. I’m excited for the finale. Mike and Maryanne will definitely get to top four based on having idols that they’ll have to play at top five, and Lindsay desperately scrambling through the jungle in the preview made it look like Jonathan would probably win immunity at top five, leaving people to probably get rid of her and keep Romeo as a goat.May 19, 2022 at 9:18 am #1204956738
Where has Chanel been? She was absent from the climax of the possession story, despite being the only person who the Devil really messed with while possessing Marlena, Johnny and Allie, and now she’s not around for the stuff with her family either? Maybe she’ll pop up again soon.
Poor Xander. It seems that in becoming a better person he’s lost his ability to plan and execute a decent scheme. One of the actual villains on this show — Kristen, Ava, Gwen, Gabi — would have had much more of a plan to address bringing Sarah home while trying not to tell her about what happened with Mickey and Rachel.May 19, 2022 at 8:55 am #1204956726
I’m sorry, Trina is facing possible expulsion from school and criminal charges over this sex tape, and Portia is rightly worried sick, and still Curtis is too preoccupied with this Marshall BS to be helpful? This was a fairly frustrating episode between that and Linc showing up to claim rights to Brook Lynn’s music once again. WTF? How could it be that Brook Lynn sold her shares of ELQ to get out of her contractual obligations with Linc and still this is an issue? While I understand that actual real-world contract nuances may make this possible, for the purposes of this show, it’s just irritating to even be thinking about this again. Between these things and the who-could-possibly-care scenes of Sonny and Brando working on that car, this was the flattest episode of the show I’ve seen in a long time.May 19, 2022 at 8:50 am #1204956724
This is really devastating news. I loved Marnie as Alison on ATWT. She had kind of a tough road with fans because of being a recast, but she did a great job playing her version of the character. My thoughts and sympathies are with her family and friends.May 19, 2022 at 8:46 am #1204956720
My understanding that they have to submit two shows that were consecutive and they can either do four in a row or two in a row twice…
This has definitely been the case in the past. I remember reading through the rules this year and seeing something that made it sound like B&B was now only allowed to submit two episodes like the other dramas. It wasn’t totally clear, and now I don’t even remember what it was specifically that the rules said. I’ll have to double check. If B&B had only been allowed to submit two episodes versus two pairs of episodes, that could explain why it missed out on writing and directing nominations.May 18, 2022 at 9:59 am #1204955666
^^I LOVED that moment! I also liked Ava offering Spencer access to his trust fund to get Esme out of Wyndemere. I would enjoy if Ava just dumped Nikolas, but she’d have to wait until after Esme was exposed/gone to do it so it would be clear that she’s not the loser there. That Nikolas wouldn’t back Ava up to any degree when Esme is talking about Kiki, whose ID badge she left by Ava’s car after setting fire to it, would be a dealbreaker for me. Also, when he referred to Portia as Trina’s horrible mother, I really wanted to punch him in the face. Oh, and I loved that the show let us see that all Esme had in that suitcase was the Cartullo box of evidence. If Nikolas had even gone to lift it, he would have known it was a bluff! So so dumb.
It’s good we seem to finally be making more process in terms of the investigation into Esme (though at this point the angle seems more like they’ll expose her as a liar in general rather than anything specific to what she did to Trina, Joss, and Cam?) and Chase and Brook Lynn getting together. I’m also glad that Michael declined Carly’s offer to invest in Aurora.
I’ve been wondering, how did Carly come into being a wealthy proprietor of a luxury hotel and restaurant? She certainly seems to work hard in that capacity, but I always assumed that all the material wealth she’s come into has been the result of her relationships with Sonny and Jax.Not now