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June 9, 2022 at 8:08 pm #1204978427
The “Five songs you DIDN’T perform” rule sounds dumb to me. Writers are WRITERS. PERIOD. And regardless if they perform their own songs or not if the lyrics strike a chord then they deserve to be recognized and honored. Other than that go nuts. It’ll be another award that rarely if ever goes to black artists either way
The “Five songs you DIDN’T perform” rule is probably there to stop Grammy favourites adding another award to their sweep. Performers who write can already compete for SOTY and other awards.
Reading the Billboard article, this appears to be a craft committee nominations thing, where the nominating committee selects the final nominees, just like Producer of the Year non-classical.
ReplyJune 8, 2022 at 5:33 am #1204975804Just one month after the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame snub for Kate Bush, “Running Up That Hill” is the #1 song on the Spotify global chart, as well as the Spotify charts for multiple countries including UK, USA, Australia and New Zealand and Top 10 in multiple official national music charts, including the Hot 100.
Perhaps the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will choose her to be inducted in 2023, now that the charts have indicated that she might be considered a safe choice.
ReplyJune 8, 2022 at 5:10 am #1204975774As someone who loved Watermelon Sugar and Adore You, I found “As It Was” rather bland and lazy. Don’t get the appeal. The instrumental is quite catchy though.
The instrumental might be quite catchy because “As It Was” sounds like a remake of the 1980’s hit, “Take On Me” by a-ha. Arguably not the first attempt at recreating that song, “Blinding lights” by The Weeknd was a different (and imho better) take on an updated “Take On Me”, successful on the charts, but not the Grammys.
Justin Hawkins has done a breakdown on the similarities in the song writing here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM7zHRbnSAINot an interesting song to me. If they are going to reward a 1980s remake I’d love to see Kate Bush submit a new recording of “Running Up That Hill” to the Grammys.
But Kate seems to be quite a private person, and I’m not sure if she’d even be interested in attending.
June 8, 2022 at 4:25 am #1204975718I’m not sure how we define worst here, but it does seem strange that the General Field voters chose Lorde’s “Royals” over Macklemore and Ryan Lewis with “Same Love”, when she won SOTY in 2014, but we are expected to believe that those same General Field voters didn’t give her enough support for a nomination in BNA.
In the end, BNA was the only general field win for Macklemore, or any of the BNA nominees, so this snub seems very much like the work of the committee.
Most likely Lorde would have won BNA too, if nominated.
ReplyMay 31, 2022 at 4:02 am #1204968111Not sure whether I post this here or in the emmy threads but it’s great to see Running Up That Hill charting so high. One of the best songs ever
The entire Hounds of Love album is great.
Not nominated for Grammys when it was new and not eligible now. Kate Bush has been eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Grammy Hall of Fame for years and always gets snubbed for both.
Perhaps the recent attention given to Running Up That Hill could help her with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame next time. She has been nominated for induction in 2018, 2021 and 2022, so maybe she will get another chance.
I never hear about the Grammy Hall of Fame these days, have they completely forgotten that it exists?
May 31, 2022 at 3:36 am #1204968089Agree with this. In general though, I’d say that pop acts from UK find it relatively easy to break into USA as compared to rap or hip hop acts, who find it practically impossible. USA music consumers are very loyal to their own acts and they have the advantage of having one of the biggest, most dynamic music markets in the world. Any act that gets big in USA finds a loooot of success in general. Dua’s USA vs UK/EU popularity was always strange to me. It’s only towards the end of the FN era that people there started considering her a MPG but she’s been huge here for years. On the other hand, with Ed Sheeran… white Brits need to let him go, like I’m so serious.
When it comes to Grammys, UK and other non US artists need huge sales in the US, or otherwise have a very high profile there, or they’re forgotten by the time the Grammys rolls around. Yes Adele finds it easy to win, but other non US artists need a huge hit, e.g. Sam Smith with “Stay With Me” or Lorde with “Royals”, to even get nominated in their own genre.
The Grammys is primarily an American awards show for American artists, just like the BRIT awards is focused on British artists.
May 22, 2022 at 6:52 am #1204960063Going to do only AOTY because I’m feeling lazy lol 25 24k Magic Random Access Memories When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go 1989 Folklore Babel Morning Phase We Are Golden Hour
Adele and Bruno are huge Grammy favourites that haven’t lost a Grammy in many years, so the first two look right and probably most of your list looks about right. However, I’d put Folklore a little lower, simply because when the album doesn’t win in it’s own genre, that indicates that the margin of victory in AOTY might have been very close.
ReplyMay 22, 2022 at 6:39 am #1204960058top 10 lists: #3 folklore, #16 30
Quality winning with critics.The Grammys don’t care about acclaim (or quality) that much.
There have been a couple of acclaimed winners over the last decade or so, e.g. Arcade Fire in AOTY in 2011, but using acclaim as a guide is no better at predicting Grammy wins than rolling a dice.
You could pick more of the winners by betting on the best known blonde person with a chance of a win, e.g. Taylor Swift, Adele and Beck account for six of the AOTY wins for solo artists since 2010. Edit: is Billie also a natural blonde?
Industry connections might be a more important indicator and for a non American artists like Harry or Adele, you probably need the sales, preferably a big selling single.
May 16, 2022 at 10:46 pm #1204954320Kraftwerk might have won a Grammy in the 1980s, instead of having to wait until 2018.
ReplyMay 5, 2022 at 7:52 pm #1204943619Kate (like Scorpions or Motorhead) won’t be inducted 😪. He was bigger here in Europe.
You probably mean she was bigger in Europe (also Australia/New Zealand). But anyway I suspect you’re right, just like with the Grammys, for foreign artists, unless you have huge sales in the US or have the right connections, you’re going to miss out.
But never say never, Kraftwerk won their first competitive Grammy in 2018, about 40 years too late. Kraftwerk were also inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2021, the year after Florian Schneider died from cancer and not in the performer category either, but as an “early influencer”, years after the people they influenced were inducted.
Perhaps Kate Bush (and Björk) will have their day sometime in the next 20-30 years.
ReplyMay 5, 2022 at 1:10 am #1204942542Safe choices, no Rage Against the Machine (nominated 4 times) or Kate Bush (nominated 3 times). Not too surprising. Perhaps I was right earlier about Rage Against the Machine’s left wing politics being a problem.
ReplyMay 1, 2022 at 5:43 pm #1204939191Is All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version) eligible for Song of the Year? If it is, and is nominated, it should win. Taylor is the most prolific songwriter of this generation, and one of the best of all time, and has NEVER won the songwriter award. All Too Well would have won in 2013 if it were nominated. It’s time to give Red it’s due.
Artists not winning for their best work is quite common. For many artists, their breakthrough song/album, which might not even get them a nomination, is often their best. Also you have to remember that many voters will not vote for lyrics, if the song has a generic chord progression. Even then, not everyone has the same tastes.
Regarding ATW 10 minute version eligibility, it’s been discussed to death in what feels like 100 threads, including this one:
May 1, 2022 at 6:05 am #1204938689So weird that no one has ever won SOTY three times considering how many predominant songwriters there are in the industry. You’d think someone like Max Martin would have done it but he hasn’t even won once. ROTY meanwhile, has Tom Coyne who won the award not once, not twice, not three times but FOUR times in a row.
Tom Coyne was a mastering engineer, so I think it’s slightly different than Max Martin in SOTY. He was the mastering engineer many people would go to, at least if they could afford him. But I’m not sure how many people vote for (or against) a record because of the mastering engineer.
May 1, 2022 at 5:34 am #1204938680I forgot there was a fan ballot on this, but I’m not surprised by the votes going to the most “pop” acts.
I’d put Rage Against the Machine in the “should be inducted” group, but I’ve been wondering if Rage Against the Machine’s politics might keep them out. They’ve been nominated all but one year since they became eligible (2018), so they must get in eventually.
I’d also like to see Kate Bush get in (eligible since 2004).
ReplyApril 22, 2022 at 5:24 am #1204927039Chuck Berry – although he does have a Lifetime Achievement Award, that is separate from the awards nominations process.
Bleachers
Bleachers is the stage name of Jack Antonoff and there are no other permanent members of his band. He has nominations and wins as part of fun. where he won BNA and SOTY and as producer/co-writer for other artists, he has won AOTY x2, Best Rock Song and Producer of the Year, Non-Classical.
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