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Lover is an “album” album at 18 tracks when other pop girls can barely maintain the structure of a 10-ish track record, that alone deserves some credit
There is no point in having 18 tracks, if many of those tracks are filler or just plain bad (unless you only care about streaming points so you can have a big opening week and chart higher on the BB200). Listening to that album was a chore and it didn’t need to be. Taylor could have spent the time crafting an excellent 10-12 track album, but didn’t.
Not hating Taylor here, I’d say the same for Drake and others. However there were enough good tracks on Lover to say it doesn’t belong in the worst category.
When I read this thread title, the first album I thought of was this one.
Perhaps it should have been that Chainsmokers album.
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The Grammys don’t “do” it. It happens when there are ties.
Perhaps we need a maths expert to calculate the probability of ties.
I’m not aware of how this can be done with multiple voting choices, but are some formulas and tables available for when there are two candidates.
Some examples where n is the number of voters and p is the probability of a tie
n = 2, p = 0.5
n = 16, p = 0.19638
n = 64, p = 0.09934675
n = 100, p = 0.079589237
n = 1,000, p = 0.025225018Imagine that the majority of the votes go to the 4 biggest selling pop songs/albums and there are 64 votes distributed between options 5 and 6.
How often will there be a tie?
It appears that we would see a tie about once every 10 years.
What if there were only 16 voters who are voting for options 5 and 6, we might expect a tie every 5 years.
But can there really be only 16 people voting (8 votes for each song/album) for the last two spots in the pop field?
There are a lot of pop albums with that many song writers on one song. When there is a group they can just vote for themselves and that is almost enough.
Then add producers, recording engineers, mixing engineers and others.
Perhaps it also needs mentioning that you can never have a tie when there is an odd number of voters.
Unless there are extremely low number of voters for some of the albums that get nominated, we should not expect to see 6 Best Pop Vocal Album nominees in 2015, 2018 and 2019, at least not due to ties.
I’m sure that these low numbers of voters and genuine ties can happen from time in the less popular music genres, but 3 times in the last 5 years in Best Pop Vocal Album?
I’m quite happy for a real maths expert to provide a model that explains why these “ties” seem to be so common in recent years.
What about Fontaines D.C. – “Dogrel” in the rock categories?
The most acclaimed album of the year so far according to albumoftheyear.orghttps://www.albumoftheyear.org/ratings/6-highest-rated/2019/1
But maybe no chance for a Post-Punk album like this one at the Grammys?
You people are children. Ugh.
This really became a stan thread lol
This place has been invaded by people from pop forums/stan twitter and we just get endless gaga vs. ariana and billie vs. taylor stan wars and very little rational discussion.
Overall, no one is frontrunner for AOTY. Everyone has disadvantage at this point :
ASIB – soundtrack has bad record for the past 15 years, hype is fading
Billie – whispering pop may not clicking to the voters
Ariana – hype is fading, recent feud with Grammy
Lizzo – competition with Tyler may split the voters, NARAS hate hip-hop in general
Tyler – same reason as Lizzo
Taylor – frontloaded and lack of smash hits, too soon to award AOTY for the third time
Lana – poor Grammy record, NARAS probably dislike her music
Bruce – lack of commercial success, too veteran
Beyonce – flop, Homecoming serves no new material
Imagine you are a member of the nominations committee and these albums appear in the final 20. Which one would generate the most backlash if the album was voted as the final winner?
I’m thinking Taylor would generate the most backlash.
Imagine if she won three AOTY wins in a decade, and in many respects ‘Lover’ is considered a sub-par album.
Stevie Wonder’s third AOTY win was ‘Songs in the Key of Life’ and Paul Simon’s third win was with ‘Graceland’. I don’t think that even the Swifties think that ‘Lover’ is at the same level as those albums.
I think ‘Lover’ is the most likely of these to miss out on getting the nomination.
People are foolish to believe the highest metacritic score will not be named AOTY. And by biggest name.
The weighting system used on Metacritic gives some strange results at times, especially where there are a small number of reviews.
Quite often albumoftheryear.org gives a more realistic result:
This is still a great score, but I suspect that the Grammys might decide that they already gave nominations and awards to those same songs and the albums they came from.
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