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What Viola Davis said was true; you can’t win or even be nominated for roles that aren’t there for you. But to go further than that, what exactly is “for” POC women? Most of the black actresses who are Oscar winners have won for characters that are struggling in some form or fashion.

It’s also a testament to see what the awards consider which black/Asian/Hispanic stories “deserve these accolades”. Say, if La La Land was an all black-cast with a black director without their skin color being a main storyline, would it have gone as far as it did?  Would Joker have gotten 11 nominations and maxed out on its industry support if it was about a Black or Asian or Hispanic woman going a murder spree due to their own insanity?

Cynthia Erivo and Renee Zellweger had baity roles playing real people, middling reviews for their films, similar box office and yet Renee is the one that’s the frontrunner and Cynthia was the one hanging by a thread for 5th place? With that, why was Harriet the only POC story worth nominating when it came to women? Lupita Nyong’o and Joaquin Phoenix had similarly physically and mentally demanding performances with financially successful films behind them yet the latter was considered to be more worthy to not only have a locked slot but also be the frontrunner for a violent thriller.

Basically, the roles aren’t there and the awards bodies aren’t looking beyond their comfort zones to recognize women of color (the struggle/oppressive roles) with more complex roles.

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forwardswill wrote:

Except we know she can cry easily so she’s clearly not trying. Fair enough if you find it distracting but I just feel like it’s one of these things no one noticed until someone mentioned it on Twitter and now all her critics leap onto it. Same thing happened with Viola and her snot.

I have always noticed it but it never truly distracted me unless the material she was given was ridiculous like American Son or the later seasons of Scandal. It’s just a thing she has much like Viola’s snot or Natalie Portman’s eyebrow furrow whenever they cry. It’s not distracting if the performance is excellent and that’s what Kerry Washington has here.

She is reaching new subtleties she wasn’t able to reach on Scandal and handles Mia with such mysteir and complexity that it really does impress me. Anyone who says she is “playing Olivia Pope” is not paying attention to the significant differences of the characters.

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Not sure about The Weeknd sweeping but he’s definitely getting nominated across the board. That’s clear, just as it was when Ariana and Billie released around this time last year.

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Stupid Love isn’t getting any noms. Came out too early in the year and there will probably be several stronger Pop contenders that the voters will check off. It’s not even a ballad where the vocality is enough for them to namecheck Gaga on ala Joanne or Spirit.

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Stupid Love predicted to be out of the top 30?? I knew it was gonna drop but chileeeeee. CHILE

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Stupid Love is the lead single, if I’m not mistaken, not a buzz one.

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M wrote:

Can you name one song that leaked in HQ final version 5-6 weeks before release and still did well? Most of the streams would be from her fans, and if they have been listening to the song for weeks, they are unlikely to stream the song multiple times a day. So if you ask me, Stupid Love did better than expected. It is a TOP5 hit and is gaining radio airplay faster than Gaga’s previous singles. Can’t wait what kind of excuse you’ll have if repeaks again later. Remember Shallow? It reached its peak 5 months after release. Same with Don’t Start Now, it’s peaking 5 months after release. With that being said, I’d prefer that she moves on to a new single that hasn’t actually leaked.

Not true. Streaming is the major access to music now and we have seen hits from last year such as Truth Hurts, Bad Guy, Old Town Road, Middle Child do stay in the top 10 of Spotify for months. High streams informs who is actually listening to the song and how many times a day, particularly in the GP since fans can only do so much. Stupid Love dropping in streams and bombing at Apple Music is telling. The GP is not interested, leak or not.

And this is not going back to the top 5. A high debut doesn’t automatically mean it’s a hit. It means just that, a high debut. A hit requires longevity. We just called out Ariana (Break Up With Your Girlfriend, I’m Bored) and Taylor (ME!) on this for having frontloaded hits that underwhelmed later on. Ya’ll confuse “hits” with having a high debut when you can have the latter but it ends up going nowhere because the first week was all hype.

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Leaked songs have done well in the past and that was when iTunes actually mattered. Stupid Love had a shit ton of promotion and radio payola, which is why it had the debut it had. It freefalling means the GP does not care for it whatsoever and I promise you, no one that wasn’t a Little Monster was checking for the leak.

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100% lead. Mara’s placement is classic fraud and if she went lead, she would’ve saved us from a useless Jennifer Lawrence nomination.

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Possible but Denzel would get there before he would. More respected than Leo, anyways.

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forwardswill wrote:

I think the bigger question is “If Lady Gaga hadn’t written Shallow”. There was no way they weren’t getting her up on that stage that night, she would have trounced Close (sorry to her stans that can’t deal with that) if she only had one nomination.

Many said the same for Jennifer Lopez and yet, lol. That same night, Amy Adams had 2 nominations and they could’ve easily given her one of them and yet they said nope. So I don’t buy that Gaga, a much less respected actress than Adams, would’ve garnered sympathy votes if Any couldn’t.

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Yep, The Box is a near-lock. Roddy Rich just won a Grammy and he kicks off his new era with a streaming monster of a lead single and his album as a whole has done well. He could get Lil Nas treatment.

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Gaga was never winning for ASIB and it’s clear the guilds did not love the film when it came to wins.

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Blanchett was a distant 4th. No way was she winning for Carol.

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I have watched it before and nothing about the show really felt undeniable except it’s makeup. It’s actually very inconsistent in its writing and without support for that or its directing, that’s where it loses. Not even SAG bit as populist as that was. No “prestige factor” to it.

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