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April 17, 2019 at 9:39 pm #1202857403
The days of Madonna, Cher, Janet, Celine, Mariah, & J.Lo having success on Pop radio are unfairly over. Women over 50 (hell even 30) in music are obviously disregarded because of ageism.
This will happen to Beyoncé, Taylor, Rihanna, P!NK, & GaGa. It doesn’t matter how great the material is or how large of a core fan base they have. It’s unfortunate.
SO MUCH has changed in the last 20/30 years. In the 80’s and (to a lesser extent) 90’s Aretha, Tina, Cher and Diana (who were at the age that Madonna, Janet, Celine and Mariah are today) could still populate the Hot 100. Even Barbra Streisand, who was never much of a singles artist, managed a top ten hit in her 50’s.March 11, 2019 at 7:12 pm #1202812979
When it comes to dance remixes, both Whitney and Mariah did very well. Mariah Carey had the earlier success on remixes with the following:
Dreamlover – 1993
Fantasy – my all time favorite – 1995
Always Be My Baby – 1996
Honey – 1997
My All – 1998
Whitney’s hottest dance remixes are the following:
I’m Every Woman – 1993
Heartbreak Hotel – 1998/1999
It’s Not Right, But It’s Okay – 1999
My Love Is Your Love – 1999
I Learned From The Best – 2000
Yes, I agree but I’m talking about the early days of house music. Mariah also had Emotions, Anytime You Need a Friend, Heartbreaker and all those Someday remixes by Shep Pettibone (which were staples in the Newark underground scene).March 11, 2019 at 6:41 pm #1202812954
They both recorded pop. But he said she had more R&B support which is true. While neither won, Mariah had like 4 nominations in the R&B categories in her first decade. Whitney on the other hand had 6 in her first decade despite releasing less albums. She got one for each album in her prime and even for non-hits. Whitney did better at Soul Train, NAACP and all those awards for the black community. Mariah may have hip hop support today but that was definitely not the case back then. All divas do equally well in the clubs/dance scene.
Actually in her first decade Whitney received 5 nominations in the R&B field. That is one more than Mariah in her first decade. Was Always Be My Baby her first R&B nomination? Well it hadn’t yet even been released as a single when it was nominated.
Mariah may have hip hop support today but that was definitely not the case back then.
-Actually, yes, she did.
All divas do equally well in the clubs/dance scene.
-No, they really don’t.March 11, 2019 at 5:36 pm #1202812928
Well, I think Whitney always had more respect within the industry and was seen as a real artist. Plus, she had the support of the gospel and R&B voters as well. Plus, lets be real, Whitney was always seen as mega-star. Whitney transcended the pop star mold.
I really don’t know how Celine pulled off that win, I can just say she’s an abnormality in that sense.
But another poster said something really insightful; Mariah was somebody who really didn’t come across as likable to a great deal of people. Perhaps this is part of why she lost and lost often. Perhaps voters at the end of the day just preferred to vote for somebody they actually respected.
Whitney ALWAYS recorded more pop than Mariah, especially around the time The Bodyguard came out. And to say that Whitney had any demographic bloc of support over Mariah is a fallacy. There is clear overlap between their supporters, and I would even argue that Mariah had MORE diverse support. Ex: by the mid-90’s, the Mariah house mix was a frequent presence in NYC/Newark/Chicago club culture; and her hip hop remixes played often on fledgling urban radio. So clearly there is multi-platform support. But then again these were “new” formats made up of communities that weren’t necessarily voting for Grammys.March 10, 2019 at 9:13 pm #1202811758
And yet Celine Dion, who is the quintessence of middle of the road conventional pop was able to pull off a win literally one year later over Beck, The Fugees and The Smashing Pumpkins.March 9, 2019 at 11:24 am #1202810367
Maybe they were always considered as reliable filler nominees.
1) The mid-90’s were an event when sounds that were previously considered fringe and subversive made the cross over (things like gangsta rap and alternative rock), helped by critics with the 60’s counterculture rock fetish badge.
By this point Mariah occupied the “popular” token position not only because of record sales, but because she represented pop radio sound (BTW on Daydream vs. Jagged Little Pill – the former enclosed more hit singles so I would consider it to be the bigger at the time album irrespective of overall album sales).
3) What is most shocking to me is that Elton hadn’t won his first Grammy until practically two decades after the start of his career, and one that he SHARED with four other singers whose collective clout for sure helped propel the song to a win (That’s What Friends Are For).August 21, 2018 at 10:10 pm #1202614263
I will admit that I haven’t seen a proper romantic comedy in a while, but I really enjoyed this! Was hoping Michelle Yeoh would be enough of a scene stealer to put her in the running for Supporting Actress (as her role as the aversive mother is already a favourite type in this category), but alas I’m afraid she wasn’t given enough material. But I still felt the hostility through her icy stares. Was also SO IMPRESSED by Gemma Chan’s limousine scene, even though her storyline was sloppily interpolated and didn’t exactly connect. Overall a fun time at the movies! I gave up on watching non-event type movies in the theatre and was really delighted to be a part of a very enthusiastic and entertained audience.April 18, 2018 at 7:54 pm #1202532091
Well, in my humble subjective opinion, there was something of an extraterrestrial quality in Michael Jackson’s performance style. It was such a unique human achievement the way he was able convolute his body in ways that stretch the imagination. And he was really the first to not only relay his type of craft of amalgamating soul, jazz and old Hollywood influences but to also really elevate his choreography with a good balance of live stage performance and videographic editing. I mean just revisiting Youtube clips I’m so impressed by the almost mathematic razor sharp precision in his execution.
And Beyonce, to me, is something different. Her energy and stamina is olympic. Her biggest influence comes from the dance traditions of Sub-Saharan Africa and so her chest, arm, shoulder, leg, head and pelvis movements are broader and freer and less coordinated. Which is more inviting for a spectator especially when she is on stage. So just different.
But to address the topic question. Maybe she will. But as a music star, based on reputation, she is certainly the only one of her generation whose influence (aside from Britney Spears) buoyed her onto the Mount Olympus of pop gods and goddesses (Beatles, Elvis, Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna, Whitney, Mariah, Janet, Sinatra, Streisand, Aretha, Elton, Bowie, Springsteen, etc. etc. etc. etc.)
March 3, 2018 at 8:42 pm #1202505237
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Looks like Emma will be a lone ranger on stage. Curious to see what her duty is…
March 2, 2018 at 6:20 pm #1202504411
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Maybe Emma will be paired with Viola in a nice little Help reunion to present supporting actor.February 27, 2018 at 10:52 am #1202502081
Bullock was great in Crash, so her representing the film would be totally deserving.
Well not so much about her performance but rather how polarizing the Crash win was – that maybe the producers wouldn’t have want to have it represented.
But anyway so glad to see Jodie Foster return to the Oscars!
If only they could find a way to lure Jessica Lange back to the ceremony after a 23 year absence.February 27, 2018 at 8:38 am #1202502010
Would be nice if they’d have stars of former Best Picture winners present clips of current BP nominees as:
Eva Marie Saint, On the Waterfront
Jodie Foster, Silence of the Lambs
Rita Moreno, West Side Story
Christopher Walken, The Deer Hunter
Lupita Nyong’o, Twelve Years a Slave
Sandra Bullock, Crash (not sure about this one)
February 1, 2018 at 4:28 pm #1202485340
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She lost all those Grammys because of stiff competition? I don’t see her competition any different than what Taylor Swift or Bruno Mars or Adele are confronted with today. And to say that she only deserves Grammys in the single digits is a total fallacy. She’s made some of pop’s most exquisite records and considering the slew of low impact or categorically forgotten songs and artists she’s lost to adds to the tragedy.
But I guess its a trend of her generation? Because looking at her “classmates”:
Whitney Houston: 7
Janet Jackson: 5
George Michael: 2
Kylie Minogue: 1
For fear that a fan war should emerge I should state as a disclaimer that I am a fan of all of the great divas, but of all the great divas of the post-Reagan era, Mariah should have the most Grammys on the basis of merit and not politics or context but I guess she’s been more outside of the establishment all these years.
BTW does anyone know if she even TRIES to win Grammys? Does she actively campaign? I think I saw a clip on twitter some years ago where she said that she doesn’t watch the telecast because it bores her or something along those lines. I could be wrong and imagining things though.December 1, 2017 at 11:20 am #1202426847
I would love to see The Star!
Yeah, that’s not happening. A tepid song from an inconsequential movie performed by a washed up star with very little buzz does not amount to an Oscar. Mariah doesn’t have the same respect, particularly with the Oscars, as someone like Celine Dion, who has already performed 2 iconic Oscar winners and has 2 other Oscar nominated songs, and has performed a total 6 times at the ceremony, the most of any singer.
Call Me By Your Name and Beauty and the Beast are certain nominees. The thing with BatB is whether Evermore or HDAMLF gets nominated. On one hand, Evermore is the bigger song, but the pedigree Celine Dion brings, and the nostalgia factor, can be a huge pull for that song. Besides, someone like Celine performing would be great.
Your Celine Dion bias is showing. Dion has been used as a stunt performer at the Oscars for years because she’s the most reliably bourgeois insipid musical interpreter of all the grand(er) divas (can’t imagine the Oscar uppers wanting Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey gospel-izing humdrum movie music in live real time). And since time hasn’t been kind to the reputation of Titanic, and least of all My Heart Will Go On, I really don’t think Dion has much clout in the selection of the nominees. Will likely be the Disney behemoth names of Menken and Rice pulling in votes. But of the two Beauty and the Beast song contenders, I’m hoping HDAMLF gets in over the other. Evermore REALLY made me cringe in the theatre.
As for The Star, it’s warm, cute, inspirational/spiritual, sappy and nostalgic in an 80’s Star Search performance kind of way. An advantage for Carey as a good addition to her ubiquitous Christmas repertoire. And one of the advantages of a win would be that co-writer Marc Shaiman would be the newest (and most deserving) entry in the EGOT group.April 12, 2015 at 8:41 pm #185295
And the women:
24. Julianne Moore
As with AFI’s original list, there were some that I couldn’t quite squeeze in:
Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Daniel Day Lewis, Michael Caine, Peter O’Toole, Michelle Pfeiffer, Whoopi Goldberg, Kathy Bates)