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August 20, 2019 at 6:15 pm #1203032608
If they wanted her to have a great night, she would’ve won both no matter what.
Or maybe the truth is somewhere in between these two extremes that you’re describing.
Judging from its large nomination haul (4 after just 2-3 weeks of being released) and the fact that it still won 2 awards, I think it’s clear voters had a lot of love for that song. Maybe they just liked “This Is America” more… and that’s not a ding against “Shallow” in any way like you’re implying it is.
she still lost…..to a heavily political song that wasn’t even lyrically good.
Where were you in 2007? This year was more or less a repeat of that.August 20, 2019 at 6:07 pm #1203032593
A bit unrelated, but what are your thoughts on Happier (Stripped) and Lovely making it into Pop Duo?
I think we might be underestimating Happier. After all, it is kinda Grammy-bait, and probably the biggest hit in contention after Old Town Road and Sunflower.
“Happier” was big enough last year that it should have gotten more votes than something like “Fall in Line” or “Don’t Go Breaking My Heart.” Don’t see it getting in this time if submitted.August 20, 2019 at 6:06 pm #1203032588
“very very acclaimed” (read: a handful of positive reviews cribbed from the song’s Wikipedia page; I don’t think she’s being mentioned in the same sentences as Radiohead or Björk or whoever) doesn’t mean a whole lot when we’re talking about mainstream pop music. The 7 weeks at #1? That matters a little more.August 20, 2019 at 6:02 pm #1203032573
What are some potential music video nominees?
Billie Eilish – Bad Guy/Bury a Friend/Hostage/When the Party’s Over/You Should See Me in a Crown
FKA Twigs – Cellophane
Lil Dicky – Earth
Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus – Old Town Road
Anderson .Paak feat. Kendrick Lamar – Tints
Travis Scott – Sicko Mode
Ed Sheeran feat. Chance the Rapper & PnB Rock – Cross Me
Solange – Almeda
Taylor Swift – Me!/You Need to Calm Down
21 Savage feat. J. Cole – A Lot
These are the most likely picks that I’m aware of, but they also tend to make some obscure choices.August 20, 2019 at 5:56 pm #1203032565
But I really don’t believe she’s a lock to win if nominated in the Pop categories, when this year she has legit competition
That’s fair, and I do agree that she has competition from Billie Eilish who has a massive radio hit with both pop and alternative appeal. Other than that…? I’m not seeing Ariana, Halsey, or Shawn as threats to her. Ariana couldn’t even beat Gaga’s damn album track with a hit single. I’m aware of the circumstances. It still shows that she doesn’t command the same level of respect.August 20, 2019 at 5:52 pm #1203032556
Not to mention that even with all of that, it’s not like ASIB as a whole was irresistable when it came to winning. What started off as a frontrunner to multiple categories ended as the token Shallow show.
I mean, “Shallow” was released almost on the last day of eligibility last year. A song getting 4 nominations, including the two biggies, that late is unprecedented, I believe. And that is a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, yes, it would have been very fresh in voters’ minds when they cast their final ballots in December-January. But on the other hand, it only had a short window of time to leave an impression on voters while “This Is America” had almost an entire year.
This does not even begin to account for the fact that “Shallow” became an even bigger hit months after Grammy ballots were cast.August 20, 2019 at 5:48 pm #1203032544
Lady Antebellum had two major successful albums back to back so it’s no shock why they won again. Their competition was…Taylor Swift?
Taylor and Jason Aldean were considered the frontrunners. Lady Antebellum winning that year was a huge upset and was only a testament to voters’ residual love for them from “Need You Now.”August 20, 2019 at 5:44 pm #1203032537
It was an exception, which is why it is the only winner of Pop Solo so far that wasn’t a chart hit, and the first time a non-hit had won an adjacent category since Jason Mraz winning Male Pop Vocal Performance in 2010.
But I do think that if a random, non-charting album track with weak numbers can pull off the win based largely on the power of that artist’s name (in however weak of a lineup), that same artist can’t just be written off when she’s got a Platinum hit that was in a standout scene of a hit movie, whose soundtrack has sold like hotcakes.August 20, 2019 at 5:37 pm #1203032525
The movie feels old. They might also feel like they already rewarded her last year for the movie.
They haven’t really used that logic previously though. Not when they gave Pop Collaboration to Krauss & Plant 2 years in a row; not when they gave Pop Solo to Adele 2 years in a row; not when Lady Antebellum won Country Album 2 years in a row; not when they gave Bruno Mars a second ROTY win for an “Uptown Funk” clone; etc.
No one is saying she’s unbeatable – not me, anyway – but the excuses being thrown around to undermine her chances just aren’t that great.August 20, 2019 at 5:27 pm #1203032513
Joanne winning was an anomaly due to an insanely weak category and the ASIB hype lead Gaga to win there.
But my point is, if it won because of ASIB, and “Joanne” wasn’t even from that movie, then why are some people not taking an actual song from the movie – one that has high sales and streaming numbers, to boot – seriously as a threat to win this year?August 20, 2019 at 5:24 pm #1203032504
ASIB had so much hype last year, that hype is gone.
Not sure what metric you are using to quantify this statement when the soundtrack and its songs are still selling and streaming well.
Also not sure why you’re acting like the movie was released 5 years ago.August 20, 2019 at 4:33 pm #1203032436
Lenny & Simon’s from HDD updated top picks for AOTY:
“WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO?” – Billie Eilish
“thank u, next” – Ariana Grande
“Free Spirit” – Khalid
“Lover” – Taylor Swift
“HOMECOMING” – Beyoncé
“A Star Is Born” – Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper
“Hurts 2B Human” – P!nk
“Cuz I Love You” – Lizzo
“Heard It In The Past” – Maggie Rogers
“No. 6 Collaborations Project” – Ed Sheeran
“IGOR” – Tyler, The Creator
“Revenge Of The Dreamers III” – Dreamville & J. Cole
“GIRL” – Maren Morris
“Divinely Uninspired To A Hellish Extent” – Lewis Capaldi
“MAP OF THE SOUL : PERSONA” – BTS
“This Land” – Gary Clark Jr.
“Desperate Man” – Eric Church
“Threads” – Sheryl Crow
They have got to let it go with their griping about the “secret committees” (which aren’t a secret). It made sense when they went on about Justin Timberlake and Ed Sheeran – those were royal snubs and super shocking. Taylor Swift did not deserve an AOTY nomination last year and I’m sure she doesn’t deserve one this year either.
And weren’t they trying to put Camila Cabello in the “snub” conversation last year? Enough already.August 20, 2019 at 3:54 pm #1203032392
Been saying this for a while, but after the VMA nom I geniuenly think it stands a chance to get in.
It had a bit of acclaim, the album sold very well, it was a moderately big hit, and 21 Savage’s legal problems this year will probably give the song an extra boost. The VMA nom reminded people of the song again. Plus, there’s really no strong hip hop contender this year outside of Truth Hurts.
J Cole is also overdue.
I don’t know how much the VMAs have to do with it, but aside from the lack of strong mainstream hip-hop contenders and the publicity of 21 Savage’s immigration woes as you noted, it also has a classic vibe to it and it’s a lot more introspective than his usual material. And like you said, they can kill two birds with one stone by honoring 21 and J. Cole.August 20, 2019 at 3:47 pm #1203032387
Voters change their minds, and as much as y’all want to deny it, A Star is Born doesn’t have the legs it had last year, where it was an Oscar contender and had insane amount of promotion and campaigning.
And just because it’s no longer a brand-new release doesn’t mean people are going to instantly forget about it. This logic is horrible. In fact, you could make the argument that Gaga is stronger with her A Star Is Born material this year, now that more voters have had the opportunity to see the movie whereas it had literally just come out in theaters when first-round voting began last year.
As much as you may not like to admit it because it doesn’t benefit Ariana, Gaga is still highly competitive this year.
And for a “non-hit” or whatever you want to call it, 300 million streams on Spotify is not a number to scoff at.