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July 12, 2018 at 10:00 pm #1202585353
Going by the trailer, this has the same problem as The Other Boelyn Girl. It’s cast actresses in central roles who don’t have the gravitas to be playing these roles. Ronan is a gifted actress in other things, but looks like a lightweight here. Compare Glenda Jackson and Vanessa Redgrave playing these roles in the 70’s film, and it feels like a bunch of little girls doing a school play.
Margot Robbie looks a bit better here than Ronan, which some people are suprised by, since Ronan has the bigger reputation as a “prestige” actress. But Elizabeth has always been a juicier role than Mary Stuart, and Robbie has plenty of previous Elizabeths (Blanchett, Jackson) to crib from for inspiration.
Credit to whomever cast Cate Blanchett in the first Elizabeth film she did, because it’s clearly not easy to find actresses in their 20’s (as Blanchett was at the time), no matter how talented, who can bring the right level of gravitas to these roles.
ReplyJune 20, 2018 at 6:29 am #1202569394Abbie Cornish kind of blew it. She was hyped as the new Kidman/Blanchett over 14 years ago when she hit the scene in Australian indies like Somersault and Candy, and she simply never delivered like those two, who are generally considered to be Australia’s foremost world beating acting talents. Poor choices and underwhelming performances have put her into a B/C list tier. She’ll always get work, but her moment has passed. Australia also seems to regularly pump out these young actresses all vying to follow in the footsteps of Kidman and Blanchett, and Cornish is well behind the likes of Margot Robbie and Elizabeth Debecki in terms of opportunities at the moment.
ReplyJune 19, 2018 at 9:58 pm #1202569213Anyway, the answer to this thread is probably Christoph Waltz for me. Not sure how he’s a two-time winner at all. His film career doesn’t merit it, and his second individual win was ridiculous, considering there were two stronger supporting actor performances in his movie alone from Leonardo Dicapro and Samuel L Jackson.
ReplyJune 19, 2018 at 9:43 pm #1202569207He has a 2/8 record with the Academy. Plus an additional nod for best picture. His career is still active with industry and public attention and you know they love to honor men more when they’re up in age. It’s strange to have to defend a perennial performer but they are Black so of course people here and elsewhere are suspicious as to why they have so much going for them and some anonymous indie actor, TV star, or foreigner hasn’t gotten their due because you know nonwhites who happened to be Black are getting their way too much out of liberal/white guilt! Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you.
Word.
I truly love winding up some of the more blatant racists around here about Washington’s indelible stature, because it so eats them up inside that so many consider him not only America’s greatest living actor, but the best actor on the planet. It’s like, “why everybody gotta LOVE this Negro so much?”.LOL! He jumped straight from his 8th acting Oscar nomination to his 2nd Tony nomination in one of the most difficult roles in American theatre. At age 63, when most legends his age have stopped caring. He puts not only many of his peers, but legends of previous generations (ie Pacino, DeNiro) to shame.
There will be a lot of salty tears when he not only wins a 3rd Oscar, but more than likely breaks Jack Nicholson’s record for the most oscar nominated male actor in history. Which frankly, befits his status.
ReplyMay 27, 2018 at 5:54 pm #1202554654This is an acting masterclass I’d pay to see. But as someone pointed out, a face off between Cate and Meryl would be more eventful
I’m not sure Streep and Blanchett would actually gel that well, as they are inherently similar performers imho. Both go “big” as often as they can. It may end up like watching two people just trying to chew scenery off each other.
Kidman doesn’t go big unless she has to, or the character really calls for it. It’s not her default setting like it is with Streep and Blanchett.
I think it’ll be a more interesting contrast, as Kidman’s more nuanced approach is stylistically different to what Blanchett usually does.
ReplyMay 23, 2018 at 2:25 pm #1202552688No. In terms of technical ability, Gary Oldman is hard to beat.
And frankly, Phoenix (whom I think is terrific) is just a movie actor. You need to use that disclaimer, imho. There’s no way on earth I can consider people like Phoenix or Christian Bale, who have never done professional theatre in their entire careers, to be the most skilled actors working. It’s almost an insult to more fully rounded professionals. Onscreen they work hard to let you see the effort they put into their roles (like Bale and his extreme dieting), but I’m not sure “effort” and “skill” are the same thing.
Take Denzel Washington, whom I regard as the best actor alive. He’s currently performing (and Tony nominated) on Broadway playing the role of Hickey in The Iceman Cometh. One of the most difficult roles in American theatre (particularly as the actor has to undertake a 25 minute monologue towards the end of the play). I don’t believe Phoenix has the “skill” to do that. Or King Lear on stage, which Washington says he’ll do in 5 years. That’s insane skill. Movie acting is full of shortcuts that stage does not allow or forgive.
Shame Gary Oldman hasn’t done stage since the 1980’s as I’d give him more credit if he did, but for skill and accomplishment across mediums while still being at the top of their games, it’s hard to top people like Washington and Ralph Fiennes. Or even older guys like Christopher Plummer. Being an intense, brooding film actor that can brood in different ways on film is not the same thing as commanding film and stage with ease at the highest level.
ReplyMay 15, 2018 at 2:48 pm #1202547671All the Kidman, Blanchett, Lawrence talks are ridiculous. They aren’t getting their 3rd or 2nd any time soon.
The only scenario I can imagine is a veteran riding on a strong enough vehicle and snatch supporting, someone like Sissy Spacek, Maggie Smith, Michael Caine, Judi Dench etc.
Kidman has a very good chance at winning at the next Oscars, for either supporting or lead. Two baity projects (Boy Erased and Destroyer), with the latter project just being picked up by a quality distributor (Annapurna) for an awards season berth. Kidman has the roles, but she also has the narrative. An incredible “comeback” that’s seen her praised as one of the world’s greatest actresses, sweeping the TV awards season for Big Little Lies in 2017, being named one of TIME magazines 100 most influential people…..Kidman’s very much in the position to win a 2nd pretty easily, as long as the right project sticks a landing.
ReplyMay 15, 2018 at 5:59 am #1202547356I know he didn’t win, but Robert Mitchum deserved Oscar nominations for his iconic villainous performances in The Night of the Hunter and Cape Fear. Even when the Academy loved The Sundowners enough to nominate it for Picture, Director, Deborah Kerr in Lead Actress, Screenplay, and even Glynis Johns in Supporting Actress, Mitchum was still snubbed! He was solid and even emotionally deep at times in The Story of G.I. Joe, but it is weird to me how that will forever go down in history as his only Oscar nomination.
Absolutely. Mitchum’s lack of more consistent Academy acknowledgement was strange, because he was a huge star for decades as well as an excellent actor. Not sure why the Academy never took to him. Maybe he never “played” the game, or they thought he did too many genre films.
ReplyMay 15, 2018 at 5:51 am #1202547355Hanks has just played it too safe as an actor over the course of his career, and I feel that’s lost him some clout/respect within the Actors Branch of the Academy. Even the other Tom (Cruise) who is sometimes maligned and maybe not as talented as Hanks, took more risks with his screen image, before he settled into action man mode.
Hanks doesn’t seem to want to really be anything other than the heroic, all-American archtype or everyman. He may do it very well, but I feel like the Academy expects more from a 5 time nominee and back to back consecutive Best Actor winner.
Except for Cloud Atlas, where he played multiple characters that were very different not only from each other but from the usual nice guy everyman Hanks always plays. Just saying, he and Halle Berry, Jim Sturgess, and Hugo Weaving ALL would have been believable Oscar nominees on range alone for their performances in that film. Alas, it turned out to be a divisive film passionately loved and hated by many.
It might have been an honorable attempt to do something different by Hanks, but it was a divisive performance (not just film) that was never going to get him near Oscar in any circumstance. Too many critics found the whole conciet of the entire cast being caked in make-up to play all these characters silly and unconvincing. I recall one review saying they’d never seen so many Oscar winners utilised so badly by a director (referring specifically to Berry and Hanks).
ReplyMay 15, 2018 at 3:53 am #1202547330Hanks has just played it too safe as an actor over the course of his career, and I feel that’s lost him some clout/respect within the Actors Branch of the Academy. Even the other Tom (Cruise) who is sometimes maligned and maybe not as talented as Hanks, took more risks with his screen image, before he settled into action man mode.
Hanks doesn’t seem to want to really be anything other than the heroic, all-American archtype or everyman. He may do it very well, but I feel like the Academy expects more from a 5 time nominee and back to back consecutive Best Actor winner.
ReplyMay 14, 2018 at 4:39 pm #1202547009Do you think Lawrence will go the way of Marsha Mason? Lots of nominations in a span of a decade and then nothing. Of course, most of her nominations were due to being cast in Neil Simon products, which fit her to a T. Maybe David O. Russell is her Neil Simon.
Lawrence is a bigger star than Mason ever was. I think she’ll still find herself in films and positions to get herself nominated again. But the possibility of nothing further exists with her.
ReplyMay 14, 2018 at 4:07 pm #1202546997He is not modeling. He is acting. Why is his looks so important?
For the same reason people are more enthusiastic about Michael B Jordan and Winston Duke over Black Panther and the Get Out guy — looks matter.
Agreed that Get Out guy wasn’t getting much online thirst or lust, compared to the other Wakanda dudes.Though it didn’t help that his character was so unlikable (and not in a charasmatic way, though Kaalua’s acting was good), and his styling was pretty dorky.
Disagree about Chadwick Boseman. He is generating a lot of “enthusiasm” from what I’ve seen online, whether it’s for his looks or general package that comes with being Black Panther. But he’s got a huge female fanbase now, and they think the guy is sexy.
ReplyMay 14, 2018 at 4:01 pm #1202546996I think he’s a pretty good looking guy, myself. He’s not the best looking I’ve ever seen, but he’s far from what some of you are making him out to be.
Judging the trailer and reviews, it’s seems like he’s a good actor and at least got some of his dad’s talent. He’ll probably have a decent career.
The more succesful JDW gets, the more “good looking” he’ll become in the eyes of many people. Fame has a weird magnifying effect like that.There are people out there who think Adam Driver is sexy because he plays Kylo Ren or whatever. If Driver was just some regular dude and not a movie star/actor, he’d just be seen as that goofy looking dude around the neighbourhood.
Still, I think JDW is one of those interesting cases in that he seems to be more telegenic than he is photogenic (wheras his dad is both). He looks much better on camera and in motion than he does in still photos. And since he’s trying to be a movie star, the fact that he’s at least telegenic works in his favor. On film, he looks like a potential movie star to me, judging by that trailer.
ReplyMay 14, 2018 at 11:54 am #1202546826Portman, Kidman and Davis are coming for a 2nd win within the next 5-10 years. I don’t see Cate and Meryl winning their 3rd/4th awards anytime soon (even though they most likely will eventually)
I don’t see JLaw getting a 2nd one.
Lawrence is too popular not to get a second win. They were willing to go consecutive with her.
It’s a hard call with Lawrence. Some people remain Academy favorites more or less for life (ie Streep), while other have a few years of heat with the Academy before the love affair really cools off. Who would have thought Tom Hanks of all people couldn’t even score an Oscar nod in nearly 20 years (and still appearing in films the Academy loves), after being such a favorite.
It could go either way for Lawrence, but I can see her being someone who was hot with the Academy for a period, but struggling with them later.
ReplyMarch 28, 2018 at 1:48 pm #1202520562Extreme praise from Bradley Cooper’s friends (Sean Penn is a buddy of his, and they spend time together) doesn’t mean anything. Penn is doing his job as a friend, which is hyping his buddy’s passion project.
It could be good, but you need to wait for more objective sources to read anything into it.
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