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October 18, 2019 at 8:28 am #1203142525
So basically you are saying that others need to EXPLAIN why they didn’t like someone’s nomination or why they wanted someone else nominated but you don’t need to do the same because it’s apparently obvious in your case. And you are calling other people childish?
Not at all, it is really shocking that is so difficult to understand by some and is obvious that you did not read my original post…
For the last time, I meant that there is difference between complaining for the sick of complaining, for example, that something not well liked or not enough liked like Outlander and Hannibal are not nominated at all, or about your personal favorites, Yvonne Strahovski and Alison Wright in my case, are not here if instead of them are other very talented ladies, and between complaining about obvious injustices like Adams in Performer of the Decade with a single role or Scanlen OVER Patricia Arquette, Judith Light, Merritt Wever and Jean Smart. And yes, those injustices are obvious and undeniable, because NO ONE has made a case for them.
Of course, this is just a thought, anyone is free to complain about anything, but complaining about Hannibal at this point is pointless and just wasted energy. I do understand complaints about The Good Wife and Homeland, two great and iconic shows, even if I did not voted for them.
And I do understand Rachel, because like her, I respect talent. I consider Yvonne Strahovski, Alison Wright, Anna Gunn, Christine Baranski, Christina Hendricks, Maggie Smith and Thandie Newton, but I would NEVER trash Millie Bobby Brown, Laura Dern, Ann Dowd, Lena Headey and Maisie Williams, because all of them have given terrific and very loved performances. And this is because, unlike most of you, I have watched everything, the only exception, the only nominated show in Drama on this awards that I haven’t watched on its entirety is How to get away with a murder.October 17, 2019 at 8:45 am #1203141067
You start this by complaining about others getting upset over certain nominees then in the next paragraph do exactly that.
Except I didn’t. I complained about people complaining about their favorites missing without any real arguments that their subjective taste and I gave specific examples. And also about people being so negative and childish. I never did either. Almost everybody here agree about my complaints with Adams being in Performer of the Decade, because at least people on this forum understand what “Performer of the Decade” means. And I don’t really need to explain my remarks on Clarkson and Scanlen, because they are even more absurd, especially Scanlen. Her cliche performance of the typical rich brat OVER Patricia Arquette Emmy winning role in The Act, Judith Light masterful work on Versace (awarded here), Merritt Wever’s iconic Emmy winning role for Goddess or Jean Smart’s terrific work in Fargo?! Yeah, sure.October 16, 2019 at 1:33 pm #1203139904
A thought- if Moss’s two drama actress performances were to be linked together she would make a great winner, but as it stands now with two nominations she has no shot. She’s not winning for Mad Men because Hamm is the face of that show and I’m assuming these lead of the decade races are going to award clear main characters (for better or worse), and she’s not winning for Handmaids because the Internet is pretty over that show. BUT, if she were to be nominated as one, she would be super deserving, and considering the award is for ACTRESS of the decade rather than SINGULAR performance of the decade, I think she kinda got screwed. I wouldn’t have voted for her anyways but still a bummer for her.
This is why she deserves to win Performer of the Decade, she or Cranston, please. Either way, they are seen as the best of the decade in the Industry, two acting legends.October 16, 2019 at 2:36 am #1203138889
People needs to be less self-centered and egomaniacs… Awards are the product of plurality and unanimity , I adore Glee, but I get that many people think that it was good only at the beginning, so his snubs are fine. I adore Yvonne Strahovski and Alison Wright, but I am not trashing the other 10 actresses, because they are good as well. Whining about Twin Peaks and Hannibal is absurd, those shows have small fans base and a lot of haters, so they are a hard no for Best of the Decade. I watched every single episode of Hannibal and would have never voted for it in any category, it is extremely overrated by his small, but very passionate fan base. Same with Twin Peaks. And same with Outlander.
But what really pisses me is standing someone and voting for it at any cost and especially when you know that he does not deserve it.
Amy Adams getting in for Performer of the decade is, BY FAR, the WORST nomination of all, much worse than Jones guest spot for THT. Adams performance in Sharp Objects is not even the best Limited Series performance of the year, she was rightfully beat by two superior performances in the face of Arquette and Williams. He performance did not define this decade at all and is shamefully inferior to the other nominees and their marks in her category.
A close second are the nominations of Clarkson and, especially, Scanlen. A real shame and disrespect to the work of many other actresses this decade.
However, I think that the nominations are very good overall, they show pretty clearly that it has been an incredible decade for TV. For example, I love both Homeland and The Good Wife, but I did not vote for them in any categories, because I found other shows/performances superior. This is the other reality of awards, only the best of the best must be nominated.
Elisabeth Moss and Bryan Cranston are the only actors coming from dramas dramas that are nominated in Performer of the Decade, so for me is very clear who are the Queen and King of TV. Vote for them. And the nominations of The Americans and of Tatiana Maslany gives prestige to this awards, so good job.October 11, 2019 at 8:47 am #1203132120
It’s not 100% certain that Run, Russian Doll and Dead To Me will be released before May 31, and also why nobody considers On Becoming a God in Central Florida for Emmys?. Critics liked it more than The Politician and it has a big name attached to it.
Is someone watching it though? It has only 1200 votes on IMDB…October 11, 2019 at 8:45 am #1203132114
Ivo Stoyanov wrote:
Waw, those are great news! First Disney and now Apple, everyone is realizing the huge mistake that Netflix is doing with his own content. But how are they eligible, they will be able to air only 4 episodes of each show during the course of 2019? Or SAG and Globes do not care at all for that? Still, I think that they are going to notice two shows max from this group of six.
They will get screeners of the full season.
I got that, but if the majority of the shows episodes air on 2020, they shouldn’t be eligible for 2019… Maybe, it is what Ginnala said and they are going to start with 3 episodes and then weekly, in this way they will be able to air the majority of episodes in 2019.October 11, 2019 at 2:28 am #1203131723
Oh’s performance is not mediocre and no that’s not a popular opinion. The popular opinion is that Jodie is better, but most people like Sandra aswell. And those who say she is a mediocre must be really biased because she has had great scenes in the show, including the second season.
Mediocre means average, not bad. She was average in the second season, when you are average you have great and bad scenes, she felt out of place in her own show, she managed to stand out only in the first and in the last episode, the other 6 episodes were The Show of Jodie Comer, this makes her average. Most of those issues are coming from the screenplay, not from Oh. I love Oh in Greys, even recently I stated that I would love to see her back, in the beginning I started Killing Eve for her, so no, I am not biased at all.October 11, 2019 at 2:21 am #1203131721
Even Buzzfeed had an article for praising Years and Years.
There is too much content, a lot of incredible shows are going to be completely snubbed. Years and Years doesn’t seem to be the kind of show that you MUST nominate. I think that this saturation of TV is going to create troubles at some point, it is starting to happen.October 11, 2019 at 1:48 am #1203131705
And one of the biggest reasons for this is that their isn’t any / very few roles of substance for actresses in their 40s nevermind non-white performers.
Jennifer Hudson won a Oscar and her first role afterwards was as Carrie Bradshaw’s
maid. The best part Octavia Spencer had for years after her Oscar win was a recurring role on a CBS sitcom (Mom) and a mother role in the smallest of indies (Fruitvale Station).
Agree with everything and I never said otherwise. Tyler’s post below your is excellent and explains my point very well. However, this sad truth does not mean that actors of color should be rewarded because of the lack of opportunities. It is not good for nobody. It is much better for actors of color when they won deservingly, the excitement towards Jerome and Porter wins, towards Newton and King wins are what people of color need! The Emmy wins of Regina King for American Crime made her the stellar performer she is now, she is going to be the main lead for HBO’s most ambitious project. This is what a worthy win can do for your career.
We must be able to be objective and thankfully awards voters agree with me, this is why Comer won. And when we have a performance like the one Keri Russell gave and when this performance won just 1 TCA award, we must be able to praise her and to treat this snub as unfair, Russell being a white and more privileged performer does take any credit of her incredible work. Same goes with Moss and her consent SAG loses, they must reward her ASAP.October 11, 2019 at 1:36 am #1203131700
I don’t necessarily agree with him/her on every point Ivo and I know you don’t judge based on such things. He/she should have obviously been a bit more polite. But we shouldn’t be so narrow-minded to not consider that there are people who liked her performance more than we did and voted for her. There’s no quantifiable way to say that Oh’s performance was not as well received as say Porter because she did receive some serious praise from what I remember. And there was no overdue narrative at the Globes or SAG where she had won before so that point is moot.
The thing is our opinion on her being deserving or not don’t matter. We don’t get to question the merit of her wins because we didn’t approve. Everyone has a narrative but that shouldn’t be the lone thing to define them or their awards success.
Thank you for acknowledge that I am not what I was accused of. I understand your point and you are right, our own opinion should not make us blind, but again, I see a lot of double standards here, because Jason Bateman and Kit Harington were cruelly mocked on a daily basis here during the entire Emmy season, but no one defended them, because they were not part of any minority group. We must be more objective and kind, but also free to express our opinion in a respectful way and I did just that, I consider Oh a good actress, but her role/performance in Killing Eve is very mediocre and this is a very popular opinion, thanks to that I predicted what none of you could – Jodie Comer managing to avoid vote split and to win over the supposed favorite, because the PERFORMANCE matter and should always matter.
They are utter sheep nowadays. Ofc they do. But in Oh’s case: Linney & Garner vote-splitted, Wright was just the sheep-voted repeat nominee, and they seem to not care for Moss (I guess not all of SAG members can afford Hulu) since she had lost to Foy previously, so that left Oh being the fresh, buzzy (return to TV in series regular role) but also respected one.
I have always defended SAG voters, but it is obvious that they followed the Globes in some ways last year, I don’t even want to start discussing CC and the pathetic copy/paste that they did… I agree with you, but yes, the only ways in which this works is if many voters cannot afford Hulu or if many of them have bias towards Moss.October 11, 2019 at 1:23 am #1203131682
Except that’s not the case. Apple is releasing its shows weekly.
And HFPA have screeners.
Waw, those are great news! First Disney and now Apple, everyone is realizing the huge mistake that Netflix is doing with his own content. But how are they eligible, they will be able to air only 4 episodes of each show during the course of 2019? Or SAG and Globes do not care at all for that?
Still, I think that they are going to notice two shows max from this group of six.October 10, 2019 at 12:53 pm #1203131061
Why voters or anyone would sit to watch 6 new shows that are going to air their entire season on the same day?
Why the Industry would be willing to support that? I don’t thin they will.
The Globes may want to star nice with Apple, but even they are not going to nominate all six shows…
And Michelle Williams still have this.October 10, 2019 at 12:35 pm #1203131044
Overdue narratives are bullshit. Whether you are black, white, Asian, Indian, Native American. It doesn’t matter, you should only win based on your performance and not a bullshit narrative. Both Oh and Close won awards they didn’t deserve based on this narrative but in the end the awards that mattered went to people who deserved it based on their performances. I’m sorry there are people treating both these losses differently but both are occasions for celebrations because they are a sign that performances still do matter.
Exactly my point, thank you!!!
I agree, but shouldn’t the same extend to Oh as well? Why is her sweep so intricately linked with her being Asian? I do think there were worthier people nominated. I’ve mentioned how Moss should have a SAG by now. But my personal opinion on Oh’s win doesn’t give me the right to demean it with such baseless and yes, racist statements.
I guess that’s the point of Couverture’s post? Jerome and Porter were thought as deserving but Oh wasn’t so her win was labelled as being PC. And Ivo, everyone calling it that way is no justification for you to do the same.
Because, unlike Porter and Jerome, she was never universally praised for neither season, especially for the second one, in season 1 she had great reviews, but no one saw her performance as one on the level of Porter or Jerome, or Moss or Foy, and she was ALWAYS seen as lesser than Comer for both seasons.
My statement is not racist, much less baseless. I never said that she won those three awards only because she is Asian, NEVER, she had the narrative and momentum, the long time in the industry, but sadly, her narrative was based on her race, this came from her publicists and from the press. And yes, Mukund, maybe I do not have to pointed out like everybody else, but to be label as racist after my constant defend of When They See Us during the last 4 months, my battles with the fans of Jarred Harris who were attacking Jerome and many more example that I could have given is also not justifiable.
Sandra Oh did not win those three award, because she is Asian, she won them because her publicists sold her overdue factor using her being Asian and the horrible misrepresentation (which I NEVER denied and which Luca explained perfectly) of Asians, this was her narrative, the press bought it as well. And Sandra Oh is too great actress to be advertised like this, all of us agree on that. I LOVE her on Grey’s, I find her mediocre in Killing Eve.
But me saying she won the three awards undeservedly is not a racist statement, you, Makund, have said the exact same thing after every win of hers, everyone who watches TV, knows that there were, to quote you: “worthier nominees” in her categories.
And Keri Russell deserves to be praised, because what she did is out of this world excellent acting.
Instead of calling me “racist” and “dumb” ignoring all my previous comments, this user could have explained to me how can I express better myself since English is my THIRD language. Insulting me, trying to label me incorrectly and trying to censor me is not the right way.October 10, 2019 at 8:25 am #1203130681
I’m annoyed at people (like the dumb was above) for acting like Oh is a mediocre actress with a mediocre performance when there’s plenty of evidence to prove the contrary.
Mediocre actress – no, mediocre performance – yes. Dumb for not liking her performance? Her own people tried to use the narrative with “the first Asian woman”, it is not my idea that she won those three awards mostly because of that. So, you are incapable to rationalize without insulting me personally? But then you are giving me lesson on moral, the irony.. Many of you try to describe me as rude and insensitive, but I have NEVER insulted anyone.
And let’s be honest, if Oh was white then she would already be an Emmy winner most likely.
Yes, just like Steve Carell, Michael J. Fox and Hugh Laurie.
I don’t think it’s necessary to point the difference in the treatment of Close and Oh. Everyone’s aware of it. One was stood on a pedestal and the other was torn down. One was met with pity on her loss, the other with cheers.
One has an incredible career full of iconic performances, the other have ONE good role before Killing Eve. And the joy was not towards her lost, but towards Comer’s win.
When Oh was snubbed at TCA this year, comments were made about how her performance was inferior this year so that’s why she wasn’t nominated. The same thing happened to Brosnahan but I didn’t see anyone make such assumption then.
Because it is truth in Oh’s case, I haven’t watched Maisel, but the consensus is that Brosnahan was even better in season 2.
Contrary to what some people will gather from this, my point is why does Oh have to work harder than her white co-workers to get the same level of respect, acknowledgement and treatment?
Not harder, EQUALLY good, which she didn’t do.
The thing is most people preaching about racism here have a very myopic view about it. This isn’t a light issue. It’s more complex and deep-rooted than y’all realise. Remember that before you casually give some uninformed opinion on the internet about something again.
This goes for you, it is a projection of you. It is not about race, it is about THE PERFORMANCE.
Elisabeth Moss, Caitriona Balfe, Jodie Comer and Keri Russell gave superior performances and saying that does not make me racist, it makes me objective (at least giving the fact that I am expressing my opinion).
I am the biggest fan of Yvonne Strahovksi here, but last year I praised Thandie Newton win more than anyone here, or at least as much as her biggest fans, I was one of the few that said that Newton did not won as a makeup reward for season 1, but purely on merit for season 2. Why you don’t quote me on that? Or about the fact that I was the only one that defended Regina King last year’s win, the only one that said that is not purely based on race. You do not quote me on that either. Because is easier to push FAKE narratives, so you can make people scare and guilty because they have dared to express their opinion on someone Asian, Black or Latin not deserving some award. Again, this doesn’t help anyone. And unlike you and the majority of people here, I am here with my real profile, picture and name, look my pictures and see the color of my skin, I am not even white…