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March 28, 2019 at 9:20 am #1202832404
I just watched the episode of This Is Us in which Phylicia Rashad guest starred and she should win Guest Actress in a Drama Series hands down. There was range and impact in her submission and she had a lot of screen time as well.
She was incredible, I was so surprised by that, especially after her over top performance in Empire.March 27, 2019 at 3:24 am #1202830902
I also just saw Ivo’s shade regarding me arguing the HoC reviews. What I said was true, it got better critic scores than last season and the audience ones were filled with pressed Spacey stans dragging it before it even premiered (you not acknowledging this is your problem), and going to Facebook comments is not helping your argument. Not to mention, the fact that it retained and gained guild noms (more than KE) helps my case for the season’s industry support.
This is completely untrue. And going to Facebook comments in the FAN PAGE of the show is way more indicative that the opinion of a single person. Facebook fan pages are very objective and reliable, they are not a hateful places at all. For example, last season of The Walking Dead was loathed in their Facebook (deservedly since it was the worst TV season of 2018), but the current one is universally praised as one of the best seasons of the show (deservedly, Angela Kang is an incredible writer and a miracle for this show), so yes, Facebook comments do matter and in House of Cards case there were more than 100 000 comments full of disappointment. And where are the scores that you are talking about? In IMDB has lower scores than any CW show. In RT it has dreadful score from fans and just 2% more than the previous season from critics, however what matters if you understand how RT works is not the percentage of approval, but the average score, in this case season 5 has 7.29/10, while season 6 has 6.11/10. In Metacritic all the scores are worst. Where are the good scores you are talking about? They do not exist.
Also, no one is arguing that season 5 was good, it had some moments, but pretty much everyone agreed that is the worst season nominated for Drama in the entire Emmy history and the Emmys were heavily criticized for including the show, why they would do that again? Also, ignoring what everyone thinks about Kevin Spacey, fans are right, the show did not made sense without him, to see the main character die of screen is very disappointing, I am certain that the last season of Transparent will be as bad and as disappointing as well.March 27, 2019 at 2:01 am #1202830894
Ivo Stoyanov wrote:
Christine Baranski has zero chance, the entire industry is not even aware that her show exist. Robin Wright will be nominated only if voters do not watch the new shows and they need to go back to the ones that have watched this year. She will never win for such a bad season, it is ridiculous that some user was arguing that is not true, I have yet to see it (I have seen all five seasons, but the horrible reviews made the new one a low priority), but is without a doubt that worst reviewed season of the show and of any Emmy darling season ever by both fans and critics, also I have never seen a single positive comment about the season in their Facebook page, not a single one.
I agree with you on Baranski, disagree on Wright.
Whether HoC S6 was loathed or not, whether it was watched or not, Wright has been nominated so many times and is still waiting to win. She could get the sympathy vote for having to deal with Spacey, or the respect vote for getting season 6 made despite the obstacles.
I don’t think she’s winning – Oh is almost a lock IMO – but Wright is probably in second or third place at least.
Good arguments, you may be right, I did not predict her for SAG and she made it, but all your arguments would have worked better if this last season was actually good or at least not that loathed, why should they reward or nominate her for doing something bad without Spacey?
Voters many times nominate based on the quality of the seasons, for example they ignored Homeland for the loathed season 3 and then they brought it back for the incredible fourth season. Same thing happened with Julianna Margulies, she won two Emmys for the two best season of The Good Wife (2 and 5), she was not even nominated for the weakest seasons. Again, if voters do watch the new shows, Wright will made it, if they do, she is out. Viola Davis is another example that they do not care about stars, Oscar winners or name recognition if the show is really bad.March 26, 2019 at 9:48 am #1202830065
Christine Baranski has zero chance, the entire industry is not even aware that her show exist.
Robin Wright will be nominated only if voters do not watch the new shows and they need to go back to the ones that have watched this year. She will never win for such a bad season, it is ridiculous that some user was arguing that is not true, I have yet to see it (I have seen all five seasons, but the horrible reviews made the new one a low priority), but is without a doubt the worst reviewed season of the show and of any Emmy darling season ever by both fans and critics, also I have never seen a single positive comment about the season in their Facebook page, not a single one.March 26, 2019 at 7:43 am #1202829891
This year is completely unpredictable, it seems weak just because the new shows have not been widely seen by anyone. This will help Better Call Saul, Ozark and This is us, the three of them are going to over-perform since they are as popular as Game of Thrones in comparison to everything else in the drama categories this year. We are going to see huge discrepancies between the branches.
And the snub of Mandy Moore last year was not as huge as many of you are trying to suggest, she lose her nominations versus 4 incredible performances (Moss, Foy, Maslany and Russell) that all of us here agreed that would be a deserved winners and that were far superior than her, then we had Evan Rachel Wood that was as good as her, a previous nominee for that role and also from drama nominee and a bigger show, and then Sandra Oh, a 5 times previous nominee from a critical darling that beat her with a small number of votes, I think that Moore was the seventh nominee, she is going to make it this year, she has been constantly good and some of the best things in season 3 alongside Susan Kelechi Watson.March 19, 2019 at 9:58 am #1202822111
Ozark is on an industry upswing, but Ozark did get two directing nominations last year as well, and was still snubbed for Laura Linny (despite her SAG nomination).
That’s because directors vote for directing and actors vote for acting. Last year, most actors voters at SAG watched Ozark and GLOW in comparison to the actors that vote on Emmys (we all know that some actors vote in both), or at least, most of them watched it. But this year, the entire industry seems to have watched Ozark, there will be no stopping it in my opinion.
The ones that have watched Ozark, is Peter Mullan actually good? Does he have a big role? Is there any others male supporting actors that may pop-up?March 19, 2019 at 9:23 am #1202822076
Your arguments for McKean’s snub are that voters like him, but they liked Banks and other actors more. If voters saw the third season and still chose Banks over McKean, that says a lot about their taste. Nominating the show + Odenkirk and Banks (who are the only submitted actors who also appeared on Breaking Bad) for every season of the show is a clear proof that voters don’t care for it and name-check the people they knew before the show.
Clear for who? For you and for 3 more people on these forum? Your argument is your subjective belief that McKean is better than Banks… This is not even an argument to be honest. Banks proved in Better Call Saul that he can do more things that we thought. Actors nominated the show for best ensamble at SAG, they obliviously see the show, this season has been the most popular one between the guilds, it is obvious that with stronger competition voters proffered other options and performances. Maybe McKean was close every year. And to diminish voters taste in that way is very snobbish. I am sure that even McKean did not care as much as you care for his nomination.March 15, 2019 at 7:47 am #1202817535
And you haven’t proved your point that have not seen it. At least I have more arguments than you, your only point is the no nomination of McKean, which is such a weak argument that I do not need to prove anything. Banks did what he always does, he looks menacing, he speaks like a tired of his life old man, but dangerous a very guy in the same time, he has badass lines. For many voters this can be more than enough. He didn’t do much else in Breaking Bad either, this is why everyone was surprised by his acting in Five-O.March 15, 2019 at 6:47 am #1202817485
Mike Flanagan better get that directing nod for “Two Storms.” I mean, come on.
His nomination in direction is the only possibility that I see for the show, but I think that he would be nominated for the whole series since he directed everything and not for a single episode.March 15, 2019 at 6:35 am #1202817467
My only hope is that the Emmys choose to be interesting with their choices across all of them (Comer, Hawes, Porter, Shaw, Whigham) rather than going basic (Brown, Schreiber, Aduba, Metz, Voight)
That depends entirely of the number of voters that will bother to watch the new shows. And of the number of voters that likes them if they do. Homecoming, for example, is a complete flop, 5 months after his release it has just 10 000 votes and a horrible note of 7.6 (horrible for a TV show and especially for one with so small number of votes). On the other hand, many voters still watch and enjoy Ray Donovan, This is us and Orange is the New Black, so everything is possible.
And pelase stop with The Good Fight, NO ONE watches that and they will never will. I do and I like it, but I do not consider it so great, still, I am one of the 12 000 people that gave him the great note of 8.4 in IMDB, see what I meant about Homecoming now?
Lena Headey could lose to 2 people. Julie Garner could be the “Ozark” award. Or Sissy Spacek just wins a SHE’S AN OSCAR WINNER name check award.
Metz is a no. Her co star is someone I’ve never heard of. They have shown no love to Better Call Saul so I don’t see Seehorn.
Headey has no no desire to campaign. She sometimes never even attends the Emmys or Globes. Her people and this site will have to get out the word SHE’S NEVER WON before. It will help if the performance speaks for itself. Because this last season will be THE TV EVENT of the season.
1. Emmys do not care for Oscar winners and they especially do not care about the poor Sissy Spacek, I have not yet seen a single show with her in, but she has been ignored more than 6 or 7 times already, I liked her in The Old Man and the Gun this year, she deserves some love, from what have heard she is great in Castle Rock, but not a single voter have watched that.
2. No one cares that you do not know who Susan Kelechi Watson, I am sure that many voters do, she is undeniable this season, she made Beth the best character in the show and forced the writers with her talent to give her the spotlight and she did shine. For the ones who were asking, Metz was unbearable in season 2 and it was much worst than in season 1, she is a little better in season 3, but she cannot do anything against Watson. Two of the three daughters of Randall are also superior.
3. Actors do not campaign for Emmys, there some random examples that do it like Henry Winkler last year, but they usually do not. And the four actresses that beat Lena – Newton, Smith, Aduba and Gunn have never campaigned.March 15, 2019 at 6:06 am #1202817441
Knocked Up being a hit absolutely help Heigl win because don’t tell me she was ever “undeniable” on Grey’s. Her win was always going to age terribly, long before her career went down the drain.
She was a total fan favorite, she had an incredible tape, she was good in the episodes of Oh and Wilson as well, it is very easy to hate her 12 years later when it seems that she never had any acclaim. It is utterly pathetic to try to explain some win with a vulgar comedy hit, especially during the tape system. She beat two colleagues who were very good as and she was in their tapes as well. So your explanations are absurd and all this to justify that young actresses cannot beat Headey… But okay, let leave Heigl aside, how can you explain the wins of Maslany, Malek, Ahmed and Criss? All of them were also the youngest people in their category, none of them can be explained with the pathetic “name check” and none of them had Oscar nomination (the worst explanation that some of you use) or a comercial movie hit.
Mukund: Imagine thinking Heigl’s work was undeniable but not Headey’s…
I never said that, I said that the win of Heigl in her category in that year with those tapes and nominees is undeniable. This does not meant that I consider her better than Headey or that I am against a possible win for Headey. On the contrary, I like Headey, I would applaud and celebrate her win, I just do not believe in it. Kord perfectly explained how your fan bias makes you blind, what he and I are trying to explain is that she never lose to a weak winner, this makes you sad, but it is the truth. And that she is not that undeniable for a win when you compare her to other of her colleagues or to actresses like Sarah Poulson for AHS who actually lost to a weak performance in the face of Ellen Burstyn for Political Animals, the last real name check win, because Bill Murray had some wide and even critical support for Olive Kitteridge, it was more like a win that went alongside with the passion for the show.March 15, 2019 at 5:43 am #1202817434
Anyone who seriously thinks Emilia Clarke and Kit Harington are winning in lead doesn’t deserve to win any Emmys.
Totally agree with you, but I also understand them, GoT two wins from last year beat all the odds: weaker season, shorter season, season that aired more than 1 year ago, zero buzz, zero political or social messages and one completely inexplicable win for Peter Dinklage, it was criticized even by the general public that does not care much about awards, he had so minor and insignificant role during the season, he had a weak tape with just one really good scene in it. That makes the pathetic cowardliness showed by everyone more understandable, but equally pathetic.March 15, 2019 at 4:05 am #1202817398
I don’t get why there aren’t any shows going up against Game of Thrones. As you said, Homeland could easily be nominated in this field. If The Crown was nominated, it would probably win Actress and Supporting Actress. If Stranger Things was in contention this year, I wouldn’t be shocked if Millie Bobby Brown won, and Winona Ryder could easily get nominated. And The Handmaid’s Tale could easily get the same nominations tally it got last year. Sure, they wouldn’t beat Game of Thrones, but Homeland, Stranger Things, and The Handmaid’s Tale aren’t ever going to win Drama Series again anyways, and The Crown using its much stronger material that it has in Season 4 (Princess Diana and Margaret Thatcher) to win after Game of Thrones would make it much easier for it
I agree with you, but maybe they are afraid the GoT would win in every single category like Breaking Bad did for his last season (only losing direction to True Detective). Maybe they aspire to be more than nominees, I do not know, but even 2-3 months ago it was very clear to me that all shows would do that and I know the reason – this decision was made after the two shocking and undeserving wins of GoT for best Drama and for Dinklage for the generally seen as weak seventh season of GoT, but the 15 fan boys here do not agree. But yeah, it is a record and it is the first time in which not a single Drama nominee from last year is coming back with the exception of This is us that has no choice.March 15, 2019 at 2:13 am #1202817334
even if they give the best performance in the category in the biggest show of the year
This statement is beyond absurd. You have not even watched her performance yet. And she was NEVER the best before that like Kord Dkt very well explained. Gunn, Newton and Aduba are unanimously consider to be better. Aduba gets some some hate here only form delusional GoT fans, Aduba would have beat Headey under any system and voting. Smith gets hate only because it was her third win for that role, but no one can say that Smith does not deserve an award for that iconic character and for stealing every single scene she is in. If that was her first win for Downton, NO ONE would have defended Headey against it.March 15, 2019 at 2:07 am #1202817330
Katherine Heigl won at 29 in 2007. It’s possible for young people to win.
But that was when Knocked Up came out and let’s be honest, that win didn’t age too well.
She won because of her stellar submission, not because of some vulgar comedy. And her win did not age well, because people like to hate her and because of her horrible career after that, not because of her undeniable work on Grey’s. Rami Malek, Tatiana Maslany, Darren Criss and Riz Ahmed all won recently being the youngest in their category and all of them looking even younger than they are. If you have the right performance, you can absolutely win versus veterans. I have not seen Ozark yet, but everyone adores Garner. I have seen her in The Americans and she was terrific in every single scene and never let the best drama actor winner of the last decade outshine her.