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What bothers me is that many here assume that Michelle Yeoh came from a disadvantaged background.  Well I hate to tell you all but Michelle comes from a wealthy and powerful family in Malaysia.  She didn’t grow up disadvantaged or discriminated against.   She may be Asian but she didn’t face the racism or discrimination that Asian Americans  or African Americans or Hispanic Americans have faced growing up in America. She had a very comfortable family life.  She is not like Halle Berry who was half white but was seen as black in America and grew up poor and disadvantaged.  Michelle’s family is one of those “Crazy Rich Asians”.  While it is nice that Michelle may win the Oscar for Asians, can we dismiss the fact that she was disadvantaged or discriminated at all?  She was born rich.  Anything else is disingenuous.     She didn’t lack for anything. Just think about it this way – would you choose to be a poor something or a crazy rich Asian? I think most people would choose to be a crazy rich Asian because once you are crazy rich, there is very little that can touch you.

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babypook wrote:

You have to be a member. They’re chosen/invited from a vast number in every sector they can muster. There are AACTA members here, actually.

But I am thinking these are industry people and there are far fewer Asians in the film industry than in other private industries – all you have to do is look at the films being made even in Australia- there are practically no Asians in them even though almost 20% of Australians are Asians!

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babypook wrote:

They’re non profit and Australian based, but they reward worthy films and perfs internationally. There’s a lot more and they’ve evolved considerably over a relatively short period of time. ETA I didn’t read through the thread. You’re asking who’s voting?

yes, what’s the makeup of the voters of AACTA – I would think no major difference from the BAFTA or the OSCAR voters?

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snowball wrote:

TASTE

My entire family is Chinese and none of them liked EEAAO.  It isn’t the kind of film the Chinese tend to gravitate towards.  That however doesn’t prevent them from rooting for it.  But what is the makeup of AACTA?

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BEST ACTRESS (2022-2023):  

Michelle Yeoh (33) – BSFC, DFCC, LVFCS, NBR, NFCS, NTFCA, NYFCO, OAFFC, PFCS, SATURN, SEFCA, StLFCA, UFCA, WFCC, Discussing Film Critics, NCFC, GWNY, AWFJ, Music City, Central Florida, Austin, Globe, Georgia, Portland, Denver, UK Film Critics, Online Film Critics, Kansas City, Chicago Indie, AARP for Grownups, Film Art, Vancouver, Galeca/Dorian

Cate Blanchett (30) – AFCC, BOFCA, CFCA, DFWFCA, FFCC, IFJA, LAFCA, NYFCC, PCC, PFCC, Sunset Circle, VENICE, WAFCA, OK, NSFC, TORONTO, Columbus, SF, Globe, Iowa, North Dakota, Critics Choice, Seattle, Indiewire Film Critics Poll, LFCC, Midnight Critics Circle, Film Experience, Houston FCS, BAFTA, AACTA International

Danielle Deadwyler (5) – BFCC, GOTHAM, SAN DIEGO, AAFCA, BLACK REEL AWARDS,

Ana de Armas (3) – New Mexico, Capri, Internet FCS

Gualagie Malanda (2) – Film Experience, International Cinephile Society

Zar Amir Ebrahimi – Cannes Film Festival

Tang Wei – Film Updates

Thuso Mbedu – South African Film Critics

Meltem Kaptan – Berlin Film Festival

Vicky Krieps – EFA

Rosy McEwan – BIFA

Mia Goth – Hawaii

Leah Purcell – AACTA

Still outstanding:

2/24 – Hollywood Critics Association

2/24 – Cesar

2/25 – Minnesota FC Alliance

2/26 – SAG

2/26 – LEJA

3/03 – Satellite Awards

3/04 – Film Independent Spirit

3/12 – Oscars

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The issue is that Michelle Yeoh hasn’t been working on many films that merit awards in the 20+ yrs she has been working in the USA.  She has been working in Asia before that.  Just look at the films that she has in her filmography in those years and many of them are action films.  Unfortunately, she has very limited awards recognition because of the films she has chosen, perhaps not by choice, but that’s the reality. Action films are generally not rewarded so that’s the main issue.   Even if you look at films she made in Asia, she chose to do films that are mostly action/ kung fu films and that’s the reason she hasn’t been awarded as much as actresses like Maggie Cheung or Gong Li even in Asia.  Perhaps that’s bad luck but that doesn’t make her due for an Oscar when other actresses of similar age have been in the awards conversation more than she has and have not gotten an Oscar either.  And if the argument is that Blanchett should be capped at 2 Oscars, should she be penalized for working hard?  And yes, Blanchett is lucky that she tends to choose films that will attract awards.  I think if we were talking about Maggie Cheung or Gong Li who have won many awards in Asia and worldwide and far more than Yeoh, I might be more receptive to your argument that they should win based on their filmography, age, dueness, etc. and race. But even then, what about foreign actresses like Isabelle Huppert that should have won if we were to look at filmography, age, dueness, etc. even though they are white. I mean Isabelle is as big and revered an actress as any today, why shouldn’t she have an Oscar too just because most of her films are in French?

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Yeoh might have started working in the US film industry in the 2000s, but except for Crouching Tiger and to a certain limited extent, Crazy Rich Asians, she hasn’t really been part of films that have been awards worthy or part of the awards discussions. I don’t see her as due. So I still struggle why should she be rewarded more than American actresses who have worked for decades (longer than Yeoh has) in the US film industry like Glenn Close, Michele Pfeiffer, Annette Bening, Sigourney Weaver, Judy Garland, Laura Linney, etc.   And that’s not counting foreign actresses like Isabelle Huppert, Helena Bonham Carter, Isabelle Adjani, etc.   Is it just because she is not white, that she should win?  Some of these actresses were also older than she is when they were nominated and have been nominated several times. I think TV industry is very different from the Film industry.

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It’s ludicrous that some people seem to think that Cate should be punished (or have backlash as particular post seems to claim) because she will likely win her third Oscar.  She has no control over who wins.  Moreover, her performance is simply liked by many and is arguably her best – and she is also loved for her talent, work ethic and personality not only by the industry but also outside the industry.  It is unfortunate that Yeoh is nominated for her first time and has what may be one of the best chances for an Asian actress to win.  First Yeoh’s film is simply not the typical film rewarded by the Oscars.  Second, Michelle Yeoh has barely worked in the USA; most of her career she has been working in Asia.  Most of her films have simply not been films that win awards – that is Yeoh’s choice.  So she is technically not due anything.  Moreover, the fact that she won’t have another better chance should not be a reason to reward her.  There have been actresses who were older than she who were certainly due – look at Glenn Close.  Just because she is the eldest also doesn’t mean she should win – Look at Riva (with an illustrious career) and Close who was older than Yeoh when she was last nominated.   The majority of the Academy is white and the fact that Cate is white, is not her fault that she may benefit from being the same race.   I think most importantly, why should anybody be guilted into rewarding someone. Cate’s performance seems to have been adored by many and she has won the majority of the major awards.  At the end of the day, it is a preference if she wins.  Nobody is saying that all awards are for the best – often Oscars are won because of a combination of factors, due-ness, role, history, cv, personality, type of film, politics etc. If Yeoh were up against a less formidable opponent, she may have had a better chance. At the end of the day, none of us really know why one votes one way or the other. We just know that it can be a combination of many factors. And we will never know.

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This race discussion is getting tiresome.   The majority of  the UK and BAFTA is white, why do people expect for white people to start voting for black or Asian people all of a sudden?  There is not only the issue of the films that most black/Asians participate in, but also there are far fewer blacks/Asians in films.  If you were white, you would not necessarily vote for blacks / Asians in order to change the demographics of those who win.  It’s a popularity contest at the end of the day.   The fact that the winners are white is because they benefited from a white majority.  Remember even blacks usually vote for blacks and Asians usually vote for Asians as well even though they do not necessarily think they were the best.  People in the film industry are generally more liberal than in most other industries.  But that doesn’t mean that they will just vote a black/Asian – this is very different from changing the make up of the US courts where the majority is white because initially there were no black or other minority attorneys – slowly that has changed but so long as you have Republicans in the white house that is not going to change very much.  Biden appointed many black women to US courts, disproportionate to whites but that was clearly to make up for the difference at the beginning.  The music industry has lots more black music entertainers and producers than there are black film actors and that’s why you see far more black music entertainers and producers succeeding in that industry and winning more grammys though not necessarily the top honor quite yet.  The film industry is still primarily white. It is also a private industry.  It is not going to change overnight until more blacks/Asians are involved in the industry.  It is a small percentage at this point. Don’t blame Cate or the other white actors for winning – it’s not their fault that they are white in a white industry and white country.  Do you know how many best actress awards have been won by a white person in China?  That would be zero and whites make up nearly 10% of the population in China.  But you certainly don’t see any whites in Chinese films if any.  The same goes with films in Africa and so forth.  It’s the sad reality.

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Sab227 wrote:

Queen Elizabeth inherited the colonies she is not the one who invented them herself. That happened centuries before her reign began

she took over the British throne in the 1950s!  She was 25 yrs old already. There have been British colonies since the 1600s and there are still a handful to this day. She knew what the British did since her childhood. What are colonies for? The main purpose of colonies was to support the British empire. And if she didn’t she clearly looked the other way. Again she wasn’t stupid. She knew what was going on and what the British empire meant. The British empire only started crumbling because of World War II. The British empire stole a lot of treasures from the colonies that have not been returned to this day. And she wore many of these stolen jewels. She never did anything about the atrocities the British empire inflicted on all the British colonies. She certainly wasn’t willing to give up the money and jewels she inherited from the looting of the colonies! Like you said she inherited it all but she clearly wasn’t willing to give up any of it – over 50 million people were killed by the British empire. Elizabeth knew this. This is a very conservative number!! But none of these colonies were ever compensated for the atrocities or destruction or killings the British inflicted on them.

 

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Freeman_DC3 wrote:

Oh yeah a British actress nailing a Queen Liz performance. Lol

I like Helen Mirren just as much as anybody else, but the kindest thing I could say about Queen Elizabeth II is that she was old – she clearly looked the other way while the colonies were massacred and looted and she didn’t mind reaping the rewards of all that the British stole.  The British Royals still possess tons of treasures from those colonies and they should all be returned.  And of course she knew.  She wasn’t dumb or stupid – she was clearly educated –  Where did she think all the wealth and nice jewels and treasures come from?  Why did the British go out and conquer all those colonies? For what purpose other than to loot? and tax the locals to support the British royalty?

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madsxbb wrote:

what jordan ruimy say about the situation Amidst all this controversy, people have quickly forgotten that there are two non-white performers nominated in the Best Actress category. Do Latinas (Ana De Armas) and Asians (Michelle Yeoh) not count anymore? That’s 40% of the nominees in the Best Actress category being minorities. In fact, The Oscars have now set a new record for the most Asian actors nominated in a single year with four. If you add in all the broader categories, then that’s also a record number. All of the whiners keep saying how hard black actors and actresses have it but, correct me if I’m wrong, haven’t black performers won way more acting Oscars than Asian actors? It’s not even close. But please, don’t say that to Viola Davis, Gina Prince-Blythewood and Danielle Deadwyler, they think the Academy and the system are against them. Don’t they have any solidarity with other minorities and people of color. It’s not a good look, and I don’t think will gain them a lot of sympathy. Pardon me if this comes out wrong, but they all just sound like sore losers. “If I don’t get nominated and win, it’s because you’re all racist!” is basically what I’m gathering from all this. The constant whining, and all of these accusations, is becoming too much of a distraction for the bigger picture of this awards season: that Mia Goth got ROBBED of an Oscar nomination. Now, THERE is something to get all up in arms about.

Note Ana de Armas is WHITE – not a minority at all.  Just like Charlize Theron is WHITE but born and raised in South Africa. Ana is Spanish White born and raised in Cuba.   She is as white as any other white person.  She may be a Latina but there are tons of latinos that are purely white. But you are absolutely right that Blacks have received recognition MUCH MUCH MORE than Asians in Oscar history. Asians unfortunately have been ignored for the most part and oftentimes, Blacks seem to think that they are more disadvantaged than anybody else – yes more so than whites, but certainly not as disadvantaged as Asians. There are tons more movies with Black stories than Asian or Hispanic stories for that matter. There are tons more recognized Black actors than Asian or Hispanic actors. There are tons of famous rich recognized Black American actors/actresses (Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, Will Smith, Eddy Murphy, Sydney Poitier, Jamie Foxx, Angela Bassett, Regina King, etc) and I can’t even think of a single famous Asian American actor at that level. That’s a fact. I know minorities are supposed to support each other but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

 

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Barbra Please wrote:

Darling, there’s only 3 lead actress nominees so far in this century who get in without getting nominated in a single major precursors. Laura Linney, The Savages Penelope Cruz, Parallel Mothers Andrea Riseborough, To Leslie I wonder who’ll be the next one. The race is much more exciting with the inclusion of these out-of-nowhere (in terms of zero precursors) contenders.

Laura Linney and Penelope Cruz were not as unexpected as Andrea.

Penelope had won Volpi, NSFC and LAFC, and was nominated for AACTA, Satellite, Austin, Houston, ICS, Minnesota, San Diego, SF, European Awards and was runner up in Toronto.

Laura was nominated for Chicago, London, Gotham and Satellite so Laura was a bit more of a surprise than Penelope.

 

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As I mentioned before, EEAAO was likely to do better in the US because of its genre and was not likely to do as well box office wise in other regions that prefer dramas as in the UK and Europe. And the reverse would apply to Banshees and TAR. Americans prefer certain types of genre over dramas.  That’s a no brainer.

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mafro987 wrote:

I didn’t wanna say anything

82% of UK population is white.  What do you expect?  That’s even more white than USA which is about 75%.   China is 91% Chinese – what are the chances of any white person winning an award in China?  It’s a fact of life.  If you are Chinese and want an award, it obviously will be easier to win it in China, etc….. If you are White you have an advantage in a predominantly white country, etc.  The key is that all of the winners were deserving regardless