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Personally, I would put Riseborough over Blanchett. I have a preference for more human, lived-in roles. Blanchett was technically impressive. Everything was so precise, and maybe that was the point. I can acknowledge the skill and expertise that Blanchett brought to Lydia Tar, but Lydia was not as believable as a human as the other characters the other nominees played.

That’s why I’d choose Yeoh over Blanchett. Despite it being a sci-fi genre film, Evelyn Wang was more believable as a real human than Lydia Tar. Again, personal preference.

I’d still choose Deadwyler though…

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Just saw Hong Chau in Poker Face, opposite Lyonne who is also amazing. She is constantly amazing in her roles. One of the finest working actors today. Hope she gets to lead a project soon instead of always being supporting. Happy she’s recognized for The Whale. Hoping she wins something in the future!

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jez89 wrote:

Okay, you get carried away with that and cry racism until the Oscar ceremony. Voters can think for themselves, I doubt many even saw Fisher’s comments, let alone felt compelled to do what she said.

Is there any empirical basis for your doubt?

 

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jez89 wrote:

We’re not talking about the last nearly 100 years though, we’re talking about this year. Historically, of course there was an underrepresentation in terms of both opportunities for POC and nominations/winners. But we are in a much different environment these days and I’d argue that voters are under pressure to recognise POC performances even if they don’t think they’re the best, which defeats the point of merit voting. Massive leap to say the exclusion of Deadwyler and Davis has anything to do with racism, conscious or subconscious.

If you strip away any present circumstance of its historical contexts, anything could be considered a massive leap.

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babypook wrote:

Yes Emma is Chinese isn’t she?

yes! I don’t know why Yeoh is going off about being the first Asian nominated when Emma Stone got there first lollll

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jez89 wrote:

How do you know voters didn’t simply prefer other performances? Far too many people hurl the word “racism” around at the first opportunity. It’s quite a serious accusation. It’s also wildly unrealistic to think a large number of Academy voters deliberately or subconsciously excluded Davis and Deadwyler on account of their race.

I’m not for cancelling or whatever. It’s that a lot of people take racism as a personal attack on their character and not as something indicative of larger patterns. So it’s constantly denying and denying and nothing changes. I don’t think the academy voters deliberately go about their way to exclude Deadwyler or Davis, but historically, but that we’ve seen only WOC winner in almost 100 years is indicative of something. I don’t think it’s wildly unrealistic to suggest the academy examine why that is and check for implicit biases. Part of it is beyond the academy. It’s the industry where there aren’t as many opportunities for POC in general, or the roles are stereotypical.

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joesilver wrote:

3 if we count Emma Stone

So embarrassing. Sorry, I forgot about Allison Ng.

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jsteph wrote:

De Armas is WHITE!!! She might have been born in Cuba but she is not POC – her parents and grandparents are white Spanish background – If De Armas is POC, then Charlize Theron must be POC too because she is South African???!!!!

omg all along, what if, all along, Theron was the SECOND POC to win Best Actress, so that means we’ve had not just one, but TWO WOC win Best Actress in 95 years lolll

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jez89 wrote:

The racism claims are predictable and pathetic. I haven’t seen Till yet, but Deadwyler looks amazing, so it’s a shame she didn’t get in. But it’s not racism. People simply preferred other performances. Some people seemingly won’t be satisfied unless there’s a quota for POC performances in each category. This year 3/5 supporting actress nominees are POC and 2/5 best actress are if you count De Armas’ heritage. That’s HALF of the female acting nominees. Yet still idiots bleat on about racism.

Happy for de Armas, but she isn’t POC lol. Scroll back.

The downplaying and denial of racism in Best Actress is also predictable and tiring after 95 years. It’s so constant. Stats alone for WOC in BA contrast against the denial sharply. Bears repeating, but racism isn’t always some intentional thing where someone intends on doing harm. It can be implicit biases in how someone analyzes or appreciates a performance (or even chooses to watch a performance like Deadwyler’s), where they put effort in. It can be systemic.

 

 

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Gwen wrote:

Halle Berry on Instagram: “This is your moment, take it @michelleyeoh_official !!”

she knows.

Halle Berry every time the winners are announced lol

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ChocolateNomad wrote:

that could likely happen, but I do think there is a chance that people who would’ve voted for Davis or Deadwyler to win could now be inclined to vote for Yeoh instead. Part of it might be wanting a POC actress to win but I think absent of a race context a lot of people who wanted Davis in particular to be recognized for this role will be inclined to reward Yeoh (in terms of pushing what older actresses in cinema are able to do in terms of genre based films)

I really really hope you’re right!

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It’s great and milestones for Angela Bassett and Michelle Yeoh today! Truly amazing. But what really happened in the voting process in Best Actress? I demand the BTS documentary. I’m all but convinced no one watched Till. And I need the validation of that.

Yeah, I don’t want to take away from Bassett’s and Yeoh’s achievements! Both deserve all their flowers and more.

I think an investigative piece, contextualizing within academy’s history (from Hattie McDaniel to Halle Berry, Merle Oberon, yellowface, blackface, stereotypical roles) as well as larger patterns of lack of opportunities for POC/WOC, the nomination, voting, campaign process with stats on funding and so on, maybe similar to how Disclosure examined how Hollywood depicts trans people, would be insightful.

I doubt it would change anything at this point. Maybe at the 100 year mark, they’ll add one more WOC win to showcase how far they’ve come from making Hattie sit in the back.

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Gwen wrote:

What happened today is a shameful milestone in the award season’s history. I hope someone is at least taking a long hard look on themselves.

The academy taking a long hard look at itself.

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ChocolateNomad wrote:

I think the one upside of the shenanigans is that the backlash helps Yeoh with regards to a win.

I don’t think the backlash will sway the academy. Voters will pull 987 reasons out of a hat before they ever acknowledge there’s a problem with regards to race.

I actually think the snubs and resistance to backlash show how impervious and indifferent the academy is. They also might deem the Yeoh nomination as them already doing their part to counter accusations of racism, feel good about it, and move forward with awarding someone else (likely Blanchett).

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Halle Berry every year, hoping for someone to join her, only to be let down by an institution that for 95 years, refuses to change or even acknowledge a problem.