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November 29, 2020 at 7:32 pm #1203883607
Summer won AOTY at Soul Train In a normal Grammy year, she’d be our Progressive R&B winner + R&B representative in the general field.
She was 100000% #1 most voted in every R&B category, and above Jhene in AOTY’s top 20. She must’ve really pissed someone off on the Grammy committee.
This will also be the first year since 2012 where the SoulTrain AOTY winner isn’t nominated in Grammys’ AOTY.November 25, 2020 at 7:53 pm #1203873904
I think there’s a good chance most of the main awards are going to different people. Something like Black Parade ROTY, Folklore AOTY, Circles SOTY, Megan BNA, Everything I Wanted BPSP, Future Nostalgia BPVA. Thoughts?
– folklore will not win AOTY then lose BPVA to Dua, a fellow AOTY nominee. If Dua wins BPVA she’s winning AOTY over Taylor, same in reverse.
– Circles is safely non-competetive imo. We are all so focused on BL missing everything, that we are forgetting Circles still missed Pop Solo’s top 6 vote-getters. It just managed to make Top 20 in GF and the committee has a boner for Post so they nominated it. All 4 of the Pop Solo nominees nominated in the GF (cardigan, Don’t Start Now, Say So, and everything i wanted) are more competitive than Circles to win ROTY/SOTY in my opinion.
– ROTY/SOTY won’t split winners unless one song isn’t nominated in the other category. That trend has been going on for over a decade now. Voters are lazy and don’t recognize the difference between ROTY and SOTY.November 25, 2020 at 7:48 pm #1203873890
I don’t think they necessarily thought about blocking anyone this year. It was incredibly non-political. The committee just thought she had a great song, who cares if she swept last year? The rest of the Academy might not think like that which does detract from her (and Taylor in AOTY).
The rest of the academy still made her Top 20 in both categories. You’re acting like she’s a committee pick…
everything i wanted made it into Pop Solo with a straight vote. It is unfounded to think people will not want her to sweep again.November 25, 2020 at 7:31 pm #1203873854
Beyonce cult is super strong. The fact that she get two nominations in that category wtf
Black Parade is going to get more love than Savage Remix in GF. Rockstar & Savage will split votes.
Ignoring Bey, Billie is UNDOUBTEDLY top 2.How anyone is doubting her when she just swept the entire GF last year is beyond me.
And don’t say it’s “they don’t want her to sweep 2 years in a row” because if they didn’t want that, she wouldn’t have been nominated.November 25, 2020 at 1:12 pm #1203873036
Rooting for Justin for this cycle. He won me over with “Holy”.
Really annoying that benny blanco has an undeserved artist credit on “lonely”. Would’ve been an easy Pop Solo nomination.November 25, 2020 at 11:18 am #1203872670
Beyonce’s 9 noms is not all about the gift only. Savage is not her project and black parade is literally a droplet.
Pretty sure they’re counting last year’s nominations, plus Black Parade is on the deluxe edition of The Gift. The 9 nominations would be:
1. Pop Vocal Album (The Gift)
2. Pop Solo Performance (Spirit)
3. Song for Visual Media (Spirit)
4. Record of the Year (Black Parade)
5. Song of the Year (Black Parade)
6. R&B Performance (Black Parade)
7. R&B Song (Black Parade)
8. Music Video (Brown Skin Girl)
9. Music Film (Black Is King)November 25, 2020 at 11:07 am #1203872588
unless there’s a tie (unlikely in pop)
Not unlikely in Pop at all. 2019 had TWO ties in the Pop field. A normal 6-person tie in Pop Vocal, and a wild 7-person tie in Pop Duo/Group.
I know Bieber is hated, and I definitely agree he didn’t deserve a Pop Solo nomination for that atrocious song, but the nomination is perfectly legit.November 25, 2020 at 10:14 am #1203872278
The Weeknd still would’ve been snubbed in Progressive R&B Album by the way. Prior to the submission confirmation of Pop Vocal, I and a couple other users had noted how Urban/Urban AC Radio did NOT support this era in the slightest. Urban/Urban AC Radio support is vital to a star of The Weeknd’s caliber. After Hours was his least successful commercial album on those radio formats by far. He was likely to be snubbed.
Furthermore, if they were willing to shamelessly snub Summer Walker, who had the biggest AND most acclaimed actual R&B album of the eligibility period, just to guarantee Jhene Aiko a clear path to victory, The Weeknd would’ve been given the same fate.November 24, 2020 at 10:28 pm #1203870256
Maybe category confusion hurt him in Pop genre, but I’m betting he was one of the top vote-getters in ROTY/AOTY/SOTY who was forcibly removed by BRP to pave the way for approved winners.
Everyone knew Blinding Lights was in Pop. Can’t Feel My Face (which was nominated), Starboy, and I Feel It Coming were all submitted to Pop. You can make a point for there being confusion for the album, but there’s no excuse for Blinding Lights.
Blinding Lights just missed. Simple as that. It couldn’t even come up top 6 in Pop Solo. Even Yummy got more votes. At this point, I doubt Blinding Lights even made Top 20 of ROTY/SOTY. That might’ve seemed crazy to think about just yesterday, but it’s the logical explanation from the nominees.November 24, 2020 at 9:06 pm #1203870044
So this year it was three mainstream albums (Folklore, Future N. and Hollywood’s B.) and 5 non-mainstream records (I’m including Coldplay here). The BRP is widening the gap.
Chilombo is literally higher than Future Nostalgia on BB200 YE. It debuted with over 140M streams and 150K units, and is the most streamed 2020 female album in the US. It is mainstream.
It’s 4 vs. 4.November 24, 2020 at 1:32 pm #1203866923
Sorry, but The Weeknd did NOT miss Pop Solo because of his “statement” about black stars competing in the Pop category. Doja Cat (while problematic herself) is nominated this year. Lizzo fucking won last year with a pop-rap hybrid.
“Blinding Lights” is arguably the most “white” hit song of the past 5 years. It is incredibly safe.
I think two components played into him missing:
1. Alphabetical Advantage. There is no denying the impact of this anymore. He was at the absolute bottom of every category, and voters are lazy to scroll that far through so many submissions.
2. Voters grew fatigue of the song. I think this one also applies to Circles. Both broke radio records and Hot 100 top 10 records, and have been spammed to death everywhere you can imagine in the past year. If voting had taken place in say June, when Blinding Lights hadn’t reached complete overplayed status, I think he would’ve had better odds. However, voting took place during late September, as Blinding Lights was spending an exhausting 26th week as the #1 song on radio. Reminder, voters are regular people too who get annoyed of songs just like us.