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April 22, 2019 at 3:43 pm #1202862475
She was good, but that’s definitely an exaggeration IMO. She’s not even in my top 5 performances of that season (I’d rank her below Coster-Waldau, Rigg, Turner, Dormer, and Leslie). Her snub that year is nothing compared to Coster-Waldau’s snub the same year, Dance’s snub for Season 1, Pryce’s snubs for Seasons 5 and 6, Williams’s snubs for her 4 best seasons, Pascal’s snub for Season 4, Turner’s snub for Season 6, etc. She had 3 great scenes (her monologue about Jon, her father’s funeral, and the Red Wedding), but she really didn’t do much outside of those.
On tapes (which many users still judge by) none of those examples apart from Coster-Waldau’s (and arguably Dance in Guest) were better than Fairley’s The Rains of Castamere tape. Ultimately she missed for the reasons you implied – lack of screentime/an arc across the season.April 22, 2019 at 2:10 pm #1202862348
I really think Carice could be eligible for Guest this season. Hopefully she has the material and is submitted.April 19, 2019 at 9:48 am #1202859062
The death of Oberyn exposed the almost years-long plotting of the Martells (especially of Doran) to putting back the Targaryens to the throne. The show achieved this with Ellaria pledging allegiance to Dany thru Varys.
Excluding the Dorne storyline entirely would definitely leave gaping plot holes in the overall story. The TV Dorne plotline was bad, I agree, but it moved things to where they should be story-wise.
Doran and the fake Targ was actually my favorite storyline in book 5. Doran was supposed to replace Tywin character-wise in the story after Tywin’s death. He was as cunning and scheming, but more meticulous and subtle than Tywin.
Nothing Doran or Ellaria did had any consequence on other storylines in the show which is why it can be omitted very easily. Daenerys didn’t need the Dornish forces, hence why the writers eliminated them from the plot so early in season 7. Their alliance to the Targaryens is relevant in the lore but not on the actual show after season 4. The gaping holes are actually very small holes easily addressed with writing.
Of course, if the show was 10 seasons long with 10 episodes each (as GRRM wanted), there would be room for Dorne, but I’m operating purely on the current D&D timeline.April 18, 2019 at 11:02 am #1202858067
Most of the book plots from AFFC and ADWD were weak too. Brienne wandered around the Riverlands looking for Sansa by just asking random people if they had seen her. Tyrion stumbled around Essos with no particular goal in mind. Dorne itself was handled better, but it also gave us Quentyn, a POV character who was actually pointless and a waste of time. Dany’s chapters were more grating in the books as well, and Davos getting 4 chapters to try to recruit the Manderlys before going to Skagos to find Rickon was underwhelming. And while Sansa’s plot almost certainly would have been better in the books, there’s no way to tell since GRRM only wrote 3 Sansa chapters over the course of 2 books and those were adapted in Season 4. Arya, Jaime, and Barristan had better material from the books that they didn’t use, but almost no one else did.
This reads like an apology for bad adapting. Yes some of the last two books didn’t have material that could be adapted well to a 10 episode season while remaining engaging. That doesn’t excuse how bad the writing was.
Half the problem would’ve been solved if they excluded Dorne altogether, which they did after they realised how atrociously they had adapted it (or rather, realised that not even casual viewers enjoyed it). They could have then used the spare time to creatively expand Sansa’s subplot without ruining her development as good writers could, took the Ironborn plot directly from the books and kept Stannis/Melisandre’s storyline, that season would definitely not be looked down on the way it is now.April 18, 2019 at 10:12 am #1202858023
I said ‘since season 4’ which obviously indicates I wasn’t referring to that season. The structure of season 5 was loosely based around the last two books but the actual plots and storylines themselves had almost no semblance to the actual plot of the books. That was probably a bad thing considering season 5 is largely known as the worst season other than 7.
I predict that we will get a ‘similar’ ending to the books, but that the writing will force the ending without the necessary development (particularly in season 7) which will lead to the revelations feeling unearned.
Of course this discussion has little meaning until we actually see the episodes ourselves.April 17, 2019 at 4:25 pm #1202857104
People are forgetting that since season 4 the objective of the entire show has been pleasing the most fans it possibly can, which tells me both Jon and Daenerys will survive. I doubt they’ll risk anything else.
I’d argue that Arya is the one and only character who is guaranteed to live until the end. Brienne, Tormund, Beric and Podrick will die for sure though. I can’t see any of them surviving Episode 3.
Brienne will probably survive the series because Jaime will almost certainly die, and I don’t think the writers will kill them both.April 15, 2019 at 1:26 am #1202853411
Sorry but the writing is becoming so bad that it’s actually affecting the performances. Despite their general mediocrity, Clarke and Harrington were getting better and better with each season, but this episode had some of their worst ever acting and line delivery (I wouldn’t want to say those lines either). Conleth Hill is a thespian, and when it seems that even he is struggling it’s very telling of the quality of dialogue.
I like the Sansa scenes and this was also John Bradley’s best episode to date (although unlike some, I did not think it was award-worthy).April 12, 2019 at 5:30 pm #1202849780
Currently in the middle of my rewatch before Sunday and I’m on season 6 episode 1. All I have to say is that I forgot how powerful this opener was, especially with that ending. Van Houten barely said anything in this episode, but that ending alone could’ve been her tape. Alright, thanks for coming to my TED Talk/live rewatch update.
The way people on this site argue over Clarke, Turner and Williams like van Houten can’t act circles around them all with limited screentime (ok she’s admittedly a far more experienced actress but the point still stands).April 12, 2019 at 10:18 am #1202849436
The voters simply have lack of taste, just look at what won Best Picture and what had the most wins.
This. People need to stop over-rationalising things sometimes. Awards and nominations rarely go to the most deserving so just accept it (and this is coming from someone that thought The Favourite was pretty close to being a masterpiece).April 5, 2019 at 5:58 pm #1202841705
We are yet to see someone win twice under the whole-branch-voting system and I am not going to bet on Patricia Arquette to buck that trend with her lead performance solidly out front, this character being too evil and this show not being seen enough because of its network and subject matter.
I haven’t seen it either! But the praise I’ve been reading (not just on this site) seems to suggest she’s giving an undeniable performance. I wouldn’t rule it out but I’m personally hoping for Emily Watson to give a great performance that can take it.April 5, 2019 at 4:11 pm #1202841511
So we’re really going to see an Arquette Limited sweep aren’t we?April 5, 2019 at 8:55 am #1202841098
That’s a good topic!
This is very subject to change, of course, as I get to remember more and more shows. Also, I often don’t remember whether an actor is given better material on a season or on another, if many years have passed since I watched it. So I try to give the right number of Emmys to each contender.
2010: Mad Men
2011: Mad Men
2012: Mad Men
2013: Breaking Bad
2016: The Knick/The Americans (still undecided)
2017: The Leftovers
2018: The Americans
2010: Michael C. Hall, Dexter
2011: Jon Hamm, Mad Men
2012: Jon Hamm, Mad Men
2013: Bryan Cranston, Breaking Bad
2014: Mad Mikkelsen, Hannibal
2015: Matthew Rhys, The Americans
2016: Mad Mikkelsen, Hannibal
2017: Dominic West, The Affair
2018: Matthew Rhys, The Americans
2010: Julianna Margulies, The Good Wife
2011: Elisabeth Moss, Mad Men
2012: Julianna Margulies, The Good Wife
2013: Robin Wright, House of Cards
2014: Lizzy Caplan, Masters of Sex
2015: Keri Russell, The Americans
2016: Eva Green, Penny Dreadful
2017: Carrie Coon, The Leftovers
2018: Keri Russell, The Americans
2010: Terry O’Quinn, Lost
2011: John Slattery, Mad Men
2012: Giancarlo Esposito, Breaking Bad
2013: Aaron Paul, Breaking Bad
2014: Vincent Kartheiser, Mad Men
2015: Walton Goggins, Justified
2016: Richard Armitage, Hannibal (come on, this can be considered a supporting performance)
2017: Christopher Eccleston, The Leftovers
2018: Noah Emmerich, The Americans
2010: Christina Hendricks, Mad Men
2011: Margo Martindale, Justified
2012: Maggie Smith, Downton Abbey
2013: Anna Gunn, Breaking Bad
2014: Anna Gunn, Breaking Bad
2015: Christina Hendricks, Mad Men
2016: Gillian Anderson, Hannibal
2017: Amy Brenneman, The Leftovers
2018: Yvonne Strahovski, The Handmaid’s Tale
These are basically all of my winners! Your 2016 is a dream (Green and Anderson winning the actress categories with brilliant horror performances)! I haven’t seen Masters of Sex though so can’t comment on Caplan, and I think I’d have Theroux over West and Newton over Strahovski.April 3, 2019 at 11:38 am #1202838747
I feel bad for people who have to nit pick every single plot point in an episode in order to justify if it logically makes sense or not. I’m glad when I watch, I’m not inclined to do that or else I’d probably be disappointed a lot because it’s a television show. It’s written by humans. In no way is any show going to be pitch perfect in their writing, pacing, etc. It must genuinely be exhausting.
This would be a good point if Game of Thrones season 3 (which incidentally largely makes sense) wasn’t also written by humans.April 3, 2019 at 11:34 am #1202838742
mafro987, if you want you could read this article. There are some really good points the author makes regarding the importance of Arya’s storyline and he does acknowledge some problems in its execution as well.
I definitely understand the importance of Arya’s storyline – I’ve read the books. That’s one of the reasons why I remain so irritated at the fact they messed it up (even within the show’s internal logic). I skimmed through and broadly agree with the criticism, but the writer seems very forgiving of a lot of things, not least the reach of an explanation for the terrible ‘finally a girl is no one’ scene. Even the actor who played Jaqen stated he didn’t understand that at all.