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I’ll be very curious to see how The Diplomat catches on. I’ve only watched the pilot but it seems to relatively successfully blend prestige/action/broad appeal more than about any show I’ve seen.

It’s the type of show that can seemingly appeal to prestige audiences and non-prestige audiences in equal measure by blending some of the writing style and aesthetics of network TV, the high drama and action of netflix’s classic #1 hits, and the prestige acting/budget of premium cable.

Sort of reminds me of Ted Lasso, in that despite the heightened aesthetic of a big budget and the creative freedom of a streaming series, it still kind of FEELS like it could have been on NBC ten years ago. And we all saw how that turned out.

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style wrote:

I honestly prefer this

Yea I’m excited about it. Season 2 drifted away from the class critique of the first season in favor of more of a battle of the sexes theme, which was great for that season but I’m excited to see what else he might have to explore.

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wolfali wrote:

But wouldn’t you say this trend was already buckled to an extent with Waddingham winning over her more broadly comedic co-star Temple two years ago? Granted Ted Lasso season 1 was an actual comedy unlike The Bear but Waddingham’s performance was very dramatic in season 1 (to the point that even in that field that year I’m not even sure she’d have won under the tape system) compared to the other types of supporting performances that have been awarded in comedy that I can’t help but think there’s an in there for Edebiri.

You’re right Waddingham is a unique winner in that she has a fairly dramatic arc for the season she won for. I think she benefited by still have a lot of comedic moments (and a musical number. even though this wasn’t her episode submission I think it ws a big part of her win) plus as you said, TL was much more of a straight comedy then so I think voters were less inclined to think of her story as dramatic, even if it was. From what I’ve heard about The Bear and saw in the first 15 minutes of the pilot, it is just a 30 minute drama so idk if Edibiri has those moments, but someone can tell me I’m wrong.

However I also think a big part of Waddingham’s win was that she basically a co-lead in season 1, which I heard Edibiri is in The Bear (again I’ve only seen the first 15 minutes of the pilot lol), so she has that going for her. TL was also a breakout hit that was easily taking the series win. The Bear is a breakout hit, but not quite as big as TL, and is certainly a major contender for the series win but is not a runaway frontrunner like Ted Lasso was. It’ll be interesting to see if they also through Edibiri a guest nod for abbott, as it might indicate broad support for her as a performer.

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Will be very interesting to see if she gets the Coolidge treatment (only returning cast member and de facto lead of the season) or if this is just the first returning castmember announcement of many. I hope it’s former!

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thewhitelotus wrote:

Great news

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Wow this is very interesting! I wonder if this just the first of many returning castmember announcements, or if this means Rothwell is going to get the Coolidge season 2 treatment (the lone returning castmember that becomes the de facto center of the sprawling ensemble of new faces). Honestly I hope it’s the latter, let’s get Rothwell an emmy!

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Onion wrote:

I really liked some bits of this week’s episode of Ted Lasso but it’s kinda hard to not like some bits in a freaking one hour long episode. They really don’t care about editing things down anymore, huh?

Seems like since they lost the sitcom-honed mind of Bill Lawrence they’re just indulging every single one of their ideas. This season is not without it’s highlights, but you can feel in the shagginess that the show has turned into something it probably was never really meant to be.

Regarding supporting actress, I agree the likeliest contender is probably one of the repeating veterans. I’ll probably end up predicting SLR, but weirdly I think Borstein has a better chance than Waddingham. Waddingham is still largely new to american audiences and I don’t know if voters will really feel that she needs two emmys, especially with Ted Lasso seeming to lose passion with every episode (despite most saying she’s the highlight). Borstein feels like the type of beloved veteran to whom they might want to throw one more.

Edibiri is certainly the breakout new star of the season, but The Bear is essentially a drama and they have yet to reward even a dramedy performance in the supporting categories. Even when a dramedy is doing really well and picking up lead wins like Barry or Fleabag, they generally always go with the more broadly comedic performance in the supporting categories.

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wolfali wrote:

Well on the plus side at least with Better Call Saul and Succession ending this cycle and The Crown ending in the next, people like Gilpin (if her show is renewed), Ramsey and the Yellowjackets women could have better future chances.

I just feel so bad for Christine Baranski. She’s delivered six seasons (13 if we’re counting her work on The Good Wife) of outstanding work as Diane Lockhart and she’s going to go 0 for 13 for it without receiving a single nomination for her work on The Good Fight. And all because nobody was watching CBS All Access and Paramount+ was too slow to pick up visibility. She really deserves at the very least two Emmys for showcasing the depth of a bold older woman who is still passionate about the law and has become such an endearing audience surrogate for the dystopia we currently and unfortunately find ourselves in.

It is the type of thing where I wonder if now, with Paramount+ much more established, if that show premiered tomorrow as a spinoff of a beloved Emmy favorite it probably would have a much better shot at scoring some nominations.

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Victor wrote:

Mrs Davis 74 on MC, Gilpin is being raved. Probably won’t happen at the Emmys but maybe TCA?

Normally I would agree the show seems too weird and the reviews seem to be only pretty good but they’re also seems to be a strong Betty Gilpin fanbase in the academy that might push her through. She got in for every season of GLOW even after the show fell from 10 nominations to 3. This is her first real lead role since then so if enough of her fans see the show we shouldn’t count her out.

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DvirBA wrote:

Sorry for the ignorance but what does this mean exactly?
Written shows will continue production but seasons that haven’t been written yet will get delayed?

Essentially yes, but what it really means is that writers cannot work AT ALL. Television scripts are often worked on up until the moment they’re filmed so it means no rewrites, no punch ups if jokes aren’t working, not even writers to write the awards shows themselves (the Golden Globes were an un-televised press briefing during the 2007 writers strike). So that means no new scripts written, and no scripts that aren’t already completely done.

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Literally no details were given in that article, just that actress complaints were the reason he was fired, which I’m sure everyone already assumed anyway. This happened months so if he’s been fine until now I doubt this changes anything.

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What does help Maisel is that it hadn’t been dropped from the major categories before its final season. So that actually makes it easier to get some farewell wins. Although considering that quite a few major shows are ending all in the same season, I truly wonder if Maisel will actually benefit or not. I’d expect Ted Lasso to get more of the farewell love considering it has a much broader support (atleast from past seasons POV) but I can totally see it going the way of the final season of Veep.

Actually if you think about Maisel has way more support. I agree that as a popular hit it never achieved what Ted Lasso did, but if you just look at the emmy’s it’s got an even better track record. It’s won FIVE of it’s castmember’s Emmys (including guest) and has managed to win writing, which Ted Lasso has never done. It’s also regularly picked up multiple craft awards, which Ted Lasso has never done.

Ted Lasso did manage to win 2 series awards which Maisel obviously couldn’t pull off, but as I’ve said on here before I think Ted Lasso season 2 only narrowly beat Abbott Elementary, and I do think Maisel was a safe second place behind the unbeatable phenomenon that was Fleabag (who it still managed to beat for the SAG ensemble award).

My point is just that I actually think we (myself included) often forget how much support Maisel has had over the years, especially from the acting branch. Right now it kinda feels like this final season is a little buzz-less but if that changes we should keep an eye out, especially for the actors.

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Miossid wrote:

I’m 27 and when I started reading Harry Potter (at 10 years old) the sixth book wasn’t even released. Harry Potter is not that old. Besides Hogwarts Legacy recently broke records and showed that there’s still a lot of interest for this world and its characters.

You’re right, I myself am 30 so I should’ve known the books are still very relevant to people in their 20s. I think what I mean was more about teenagers to young adults, like people 12-22. Bc the first season of this show is going to be about 11 year olds, so teenagers are going to be a key audience, especially if they want people to stick with this show for 10 years. Do they really care about Harry Potter?

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dante wrote:

Do you guys think Stephanie Hsu being an oscar nominee will help her chances to be nominated this year?

Essentially yes, but technically I think it’s the fact that EEAAO was as big a success as it was is what will help her, even if she had ended up not nominated. If anything I think her missing the nom might actually have helped her get some sympathy votes.

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Genuinely curious if there’s a long running interest in this. I’m a younger millennial, and of course everyone in my generation read and loved Harry Potter, but we also view the movies as pretty untouchable so while I see a bunch of people my age checking the show out out of curiosity, I doubt many besides the most die hard fans will really feel like sticking with this show for 10 years. Not to mention many of the series original fans will be aging out of the key demo in the next decade.

Can Gen Z-ers on the board tell me if younger people actually read these books and have passionate enough feelings about them to stick with a show for years? And I mean outside of the types of people who are always going to read fantasy series, but like are mainstream 12-22 year old audiences particularly interested in Harry Potter? Don’t they kind of see it as an embarrassing old people thing?

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Coolidge has a screentime of 18% in Season 2 of The White Lotus.

The last time someone won this category for this low percentage was Edie Falco in The Sopranos but unlike Falco, I just cannot justify Coolidge in Lead.

She does have the most screentime of her show though. While I think White Lotus is a true ensemble and everyone can be placed in supporting, it’s not such a stretch to call Tanya the main character of season 2. Is her screentime percentage really that different from actors in sprawling ensembles like Lynskey or really anyone from Succession?