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It’s so disappointing that Hollywood decided that a standard Oscar bait role by a white actress was the role that they needed to champion. Why couldn’t they have pushed for Tang Wei? Where is this energy for performances in horror films that get snubbed year after year? Then they’ll pat themselves on the back and act like getting Andrea an Oscar nom is saving small budget films. It feels entirely astroturfed. If campaigning like this is allowed in the future the Oscars will further divorce themselves from the general public.

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#1205273790

Nothing quite as hilarious as people swearing the 'To Leslie' campaign did nothing wrong while the 'To Leslie' folks are going back and deleting IG posts and tweets 😩😩

— Ashley Reynolds (@Ashley_Reynolds) January 28, 2023

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#1205273522

Andrea wasn’t deserving

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Chloe Sevigny stan <3 wrote:

But she was originally touted as supporting but then decided to campaign in lead.

She was touted as supporting mostly by pundits and people who hadn’t even seen The Fabelmans because of previous parental roles being slotted into the supporting category.

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Chloe Sevigny stan <3 wrote:

Why has no one accused Williams of stealing a spot by going lead instead of supporting?…

You can’t really “fraud” yourself into lead, it only works the other way around.

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#1205273275

Sophia Loren or Angelina Jolie for Best Picture please.

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madsxbb wrote:

her network of famous friends wanting to give her a nomination and promoting a movie that had no money to pay for a campaign is so suspicious………. when weistein was hosting parties every weekend, hiring 200 people for a call center to keep calling voters in their homes and paying for peoples vacation in exchange for votes that was not suspicious and deserved a investigation, right? the official instagram of the movie posted a review that mentioned cate blanchett, they broke every rule omg revoke the nomination

What kind of deflection is this.

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madsxbb wrote:

he created a lot of the system that still happen today. without the campaign and all the money the studios invest, the oscar is not worth so much andrea did it without their backing so they are public going after her as a warning to all actors not to defy the system

Or because her campaign was suspicious af and likely violated rules?

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ejaru1810 wrote:

Whatever is the veredict regarding the investigation, the Academy has to make changes about campaigning, promotion and voting. Maybe even have a jury like BAFTA does. What Ricci said is true, smaller films get ignored simply for not having money for promotion. The Academy needs to help those films to also be in the conversation and make the field even for everybody. You can compare a film that does 5 screenings vs one that does 50. Maybe limiting the screenings per film, especially for the acting branch.

To the general public the Oscars already focuses too much on small movies. The Oscars is not the Independent Spirit Awards. Film festivals, critics prizes, and word of mouth is there to boost smaller films. EEAAO was relatively small, and it’s leading the nominations.

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NevadaR wrote:

Riseborough only took one spot. Why are people acting like she took the place of five actresses or smth? Davis wasn’t happening anyway. As for Danielle… the other contenders either had stronger movies or more passion so she was the one to fall unfortunately.

There are only five spots, so one spot is significant. She almost surely took the place of Viola or Danielle.

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mafro987 wrote:

Sorry but the counter-narrative some posters are trying to pull simply isn’t working you can’t gaslight people into thinking Riseborough is a poor underdog who triumphed against all odds in fighting the studios. The reality is that her campaign used her establishment Hollywood (read: white) connections to game the ‘system’ and get her a nomination for a film which made less than $30k at the box office. You cannot frame this as a rallying call against money and campaigning in Hollywood. Mo’nique took a stand against this over a decade ago, and her career never recovered. Black women have been forced to ‘play the game’ and check all of the boxes the Hollywood establishment sets out in order to get half the recognition others get (rather than no recognition at all), and now suddenly everyone has an epiphany and thinks campaigning is wrong? I don’t buy it at all. You cannot frame this as an attack on Riseborough’s performance. Whether the performance is worthy of a nomination or not is completely irrelevant to the central debate being had. You can like Andrea (as I do – loved her in The Death of Stalin), think that money in Hollywood and the awards system is shady, AND acknowledge that this year the industry came up with a fresh and exciting way to exclude black women. All of these things can be true at the same time, unless you’re intentionally missing the point. In addition, the attempts by Frances Fisher and others in claiming that the people leading the backlash ‘don’t really know how campaigning works’ or ‘don’t really now how the voting system works’ are being disingenuous. We know how Oscar campaigning works. I won a prize for my Masters dissertation on electoral systems reform, and Frances Fisher wants to tell me I don’t know how ranked voting works give me a break.

Funnily enough I think a lot of these same members would be angry if Frances McDormand or Lady Gaga pulled what Andrea did. It’s just that Andrea has an aura of being outside the studio campaign system so people justify her strategy..svg” class=”emoji”

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If an actress Goldderby liked less did what Andrea did everyone on here would be groaning and calling her a fraud.

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madsxbb wrote:

if someone is trying to pay you millions and you decide to go with another one who is paying you just thousands that comes from passion and is inspired

You sound ridiculous.

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#1205272019

Not a “grassroots” campaign spearheaded by Academy members and fucking GOOP. This is no Ann Dowd/Compliance campaign, or Sally Kirkland going on Joan Rivers to talk about her work. This is gaming the system.

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