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November 24, 2020 at 11:36 am #1203865672
you have to have a lot of courage to pretend that the Weeknd boycott was normal … if voters did not look at AH but looked at Changes, then you know, Grammy is worthless
Oh, I don’t think a single thing about the Grammy’s is normal. I said earlier, Scooter bought Justin those nominations, so I don’t even consider that to be something to look into.
I’m just attempting to offer explanations as to why After Hours specifically missed out on AOTY. I think it’s clear that he missed Pop because Pop voters weren’t checking for The Weeknd, who has made a name for himself as an R&B artist.
I don’t know how you took from my post that I found the complete shutout of The Weeknd, “Blinding Lights” included, to be “normal.” I literally said how shocked I was that he missed the song categories. Did you read that part?
proud delusional swiftieNovember 24, 2020 at 11:26 am #1203865546
The After Hours snub doesn’t shock me in the slightest. Pop voters weren’t checking for it in Pop, and honestly, I don’t think many people were checking for it in AOTY.
A month ago, I wrote “The Spotify numbers for the album tracks aren’t that impressive (all under 100k). The era wasn’t a cultural moment in the way a WWAFA or 1989 was. I don’t know when Goldderby collectively agreed that he was the runaway frontrunner for not only a nomination, but a win in AOTY, but I’m not gonna buy it until he’s on stage accepting the award.”
The Weeknd had a big year, sure, but it was all anchored on “Blinding Lights,” not After Hours. With that being said, I’m genuinely gagged by the “Blinding Lights” snub in ROTY/SOTY. I can’t wrap my head around it. It’s not like the song is masterful, or even very good — it’s palatable 80s pastiche — but it was everywhere.
proud delusional swiftieNovember 24, 2020 at 11:15 am #1203865408
I literally wasn’t saying that, you’re all like actually really bad at reading comprehension and it’s actually embarrassing. Obscure picks are Bon Iver last year, or Brandi Carlile 2 years ago. Obscure picks are not two random acts who are being pushed by industry politics.
proud delusional swiftieNovember 24, 2020 at 11:09 am #1203865305
Meh. So, only popular albums and songs should be nominated for the biggest music award show? This isn’t the AMAs or BBMAs. The Grammys can honor obscure and popular acts. There’s a world outside of Billboard.
Not at all. But the nominees for the biggest award in music given out each year should reflect the music that represents that year. Artists like Black Pumas and Jacob Collier have industry connections, sure, but does that mean their music deserves to be praised over albums that had significant cultural impact?
I’m all for obscure picks. By The Way, I Forgive You became one of my favorite albums after its nominations. I wasn’t expecting the AMAs or the BBMAs like you obnoxiously claimed. But albums like Fetch The Bolt Cutters, Gaslighter, Ungodly Hour, Jaime, Punisher — none of these were chart topping, mainstream albums, yet they all would have been much better picks to represent this year in music than two acts who clearly just lucked out in having representation in the room where decisions were made.
proud delusional swiftieNovember 24, 2020 at 10:56 am #1203865148
Scooter bought Justin’s nominations, and there really shouldn’t even have to be debate or discourse surrounding that claim.
proud delusional swiftieNovember 24, 2020 at 10:54 am #1203865113
Attempting to sum up my thoughts on AOTY:
– The Black Pumas and Jacob Collier nominations are pure industry politics, and there is genuinely no other explanation. You would think a year after having their entire operation completely blow up, the recording academy wouldn’t be so stupid to hand nominations to two obscure industry acts for obscure albums, but nothing shocks me at this point.
– Coldplay is arguably the biggest WTF nomination I’ve ever seen, but I can’t even be mad about it — it’s just funny. I think nominating an album even diehard fans forgot about is the perfect example of how meaningless the Grammys really are.
– So happy for Haim! I’ve been taking them in and out of my predictions for months. Once I saw them perform 3 AM on Seth Meyers I knew they were contenders. Industry people have been talking WIMPIII up since its release.
– Dua ran a flawless campaign, and it paid off here. I was iffy on her chances if Pop albums were over saturating AOTY, but her and Taylor being the only crossovers from Pop Vocal feels right.
– Overall, this category seems handpicked for Taylor to win. I genuinely could not rack my brain to pick one other contender who I’d even consider as competition. Any album that stood in her way (After Hours, Fetch The Bolt Cutters, Fine Line) was left out, probably intentionally. They want to hand her this win.
proud delusional swiftieNovember 24, 2020 at 9:35 am #1203863028
THE WEEKND IS OVER OMFGGGGGGGGG?????
proud delusional swiftieNovember 24, 2020 at 8:59 am #1203861878
Just tossing this into the universe before noms are officially announced — I won’t be completely gooped if After Hours misses AOTY. I said the same exact thing about WWAFA,WDWG last year (and we see how that turned out lol) so I’m not acting like this is gonna happen. It’s just my one cracked out prediction.
proud delusional swiftieOctober 20, 2020 at 12:36 pm #1203791745
The difference between folklore and Taylor’s Grammy-winning albums is that folklore hasn’t produced any songs as ubiquitous as “You Belong with Me,” “Love Story,” “Shake It Off,” “Blank Space,” etc. The album is already out of the top 10, and it doesn’t seem that Taylor is pushing this album as much as her previous ones, for whatever reasons.
I don’t see this playing a factor in it’s chances. Unlike her previous albums, which were by definition commercial, folklore is an almost anti-commercial release. She’s done the opposite of everything we’ve come to expect from a Taylor album rollout this era: no big lead single pre-album, no in-your-face teasers, no big award show performances.
I don’t think voters will hold it against her that her first true anti-commercial era, in which she’s sent only one proper single to pop radio, didn’t spawn an undeniable hit in a climate where stripped back, singer-songwriter-y songs struggle to chart. The goal of 1989 was to be a massive, inescapable album that would produce pop hits. The goal of folklore was to take things down several notches and focus on the music — both achieved their goals.
proud delusional swiftieOctober 20, 2020 at 11:31 am #1203791562
After Hours simply is not winning AOTY, in my opinion. Honestly, I don’t even consider it in the top 3 frontrunners. It’s not the critical pick, it’s not the commercial pick. “Blinding Lights” has a clear, clear path to ROTY victory (and to a lesser extent, SOTY). The path for After Hours is a lot more rocky. I genuinely think casual music listeners would be hard-pressed to name more than “Blinding Lights” and maybe “Heartless” off After Hours.
The Spotify numbers for the album tracks aren’t that impressive (all under 100k). The era wasn’t a cultural moment in the way a WWAFA or 1989 was. I don’t know when Goldderby collectively agreed that he was the runaway frontrunner for not only a nomination, but a win in AOTY, but I’m not gonna buy it until he’s on stage accepting the award.
proud delusional swiftieOctober 20, 2020 at 8:28 am #1203791002
i mean the way the grammys ignored his debut album yet somehow fine line is the frontrunner of this year grammys.
The Grammy’s ignored Taylor Swift but Fearless won AOTY.
The Grammy’s ignored Don’t Smile at Me but WWAFA won AOTY.
I’m sure the list goes on. Looking back can be helpful when predicting for some artists, but it’s really not helpful when analyzing an artist who had their undeniable breakout solo year.
Fine Line is huge. Still in the top 20 after nearly a year, 2 top 10 hits. Harry Styles was nowhere near this level. At the time of its release, Harry was still very much tied to One Direction. Now, there are people who are discovering his music who aren’t even aware he was in a boy band.
His lack of success in 2018 cannot be used to discredit his predicted success in 2021. I don’t even ride for him that hard, but I’m not delusional.
proud delusional swiftieOctober 20, 2020 at 8:20 am #1203790973
Fine Line has a clear shot at winning
I’ve honestly been thinking of this lately. I just see the Stevie Nicks of it all helping him out so much for some reason. Plus, I see him pulling a lot of Rock voters. Something like this wouldn’t shock me at all:
AOTY: Fine Line
ROTY/SOTY: “Blinding Lights”
Either way, I think it’s crazy that some people aren’t even predicting him for a nomination. I’m considering him a lock at this point.
proud delusional swiftieOctober 19, 2020 at 6:29 pm #1203790096
Something tells me RTJ4 and Hot Pink might not even reach top 20.
RTJ4 missing wouldn’t shock me.
Hot Pink is definitely there based on personal bias, but I think there’s a good chance it makes top 20, at least. I’m using its TEC Awards nomination as an excuse to put it back in the running, lol.
Overall though, I don’t think Doja is as dead in the water as some think she is. Her campaign so far hasn’t been as strong as someone like Meghan, but I think if she amps it up she’s right in the running. I need her to book SNL! She can turn out a performance, just needs a big stage to do it on.
proud delusional swiftieOctober 19, 2020 at 6:25 pm #1203790078
If the rest of AOTY is diverse enough, they can slip him in without a fuss and I bet the older people in the committee want to reward a music veteran like Bob.
My issue is this is almost the exact same argument used in favor of Bruce Springsteen getting into AOTY last year, and in the end we got an extremely young AOTY lineup which included 3 BNA contenders.
I just don’t think the older people represented in the committee have as much of a voice/impact as people think they do. Plus, it’s not like they need to reward Bob Dylan with a nomination. He has 27 nominations and 12 wins, 2 of which are for AOTY. He’s not overdue, he’s still alive and making music, and it’s not like he’s had his name in the news lately. I think he misses easily.
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