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“1. Why is it harder now for actresses 60+ to win in the Supporting Actress category than it was in earlier decades?”

I’ve read one theory on this is that writers aren’t encouraged or don’t try to write a lot of strong supporting roles nowadays. The focus is all on the leads. So you don’t get those great little supporting parts like Beatrice Straight in Network anymore.

Plus category fraud has leading ladies (Stone, Vikander, Roberts, Mara, etc.) pushing out the real supporting performers.

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They were about as different of actors as you can get. Olivier was from the highly stylized British tradition and Tracy infamously was from the school of just say your lines and don’t bump into the furniture.

Impossible to choose a favorite.

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babypook wrote:

Carney broke my heart into little bits without even trying and Astaire made the ultimate sacrifice amid all that Vx chaos.

I want to point out that Arkin was the only acting nod to come out of that BP winner.
I was worried for Winters. I think she did some of her own stunts.

Winters definitely did stunts. She dives into the water without a cutaway and then she is seen freeing Gene Hackman in that long underwater scene. Definitely her. No cutaways to a stunt performer.

Those older women roles in disaster movies were considered career restarters after Hayes and Winters. I saw on youtube how Jennifer Jones thought Towering Inferno would do the same for her but then she didn’t even get nominated (did get a Globe nomination though.)

Gloria Swanson did Airport 1975 and Olivia de Haviland did The Swarm also to lesser success.

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babypook wrote:

I suspect there was some genre bias happening there. Big blockbuster disaster film vs more academy friendly fare.

ETA: Carney’s subtle performance got to me. He managed to get to my emotions. That s not easy to do with the vehicle he had. And his age is irrelevant. It’s acting after all.

I like Carney’s performance too. I didn’t mean to imply it was a bad choice by the academy just an unusual one. I guess the scene where he is driving talking to the cat is usually cited as the moment that really got to people. It’s quite powerful.

I guess Astaire was following in the footsteps of Helen Hayes (Airport) and Shelley Winters (The Poseidon Adventure.) Hayes won and Winters almost did but they had better roles. Hayes is funny and Winters genuinely moving. Astaire was just there basically. No real pizzazz to the performance.

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another odd thing about Carney’s win is that Fred Astaire was favored to win Supporting Actor but they ignored the elder legend there and went for a Godfather actor but then in lead actor they didn’t do the same thing

(BTW Carney wasn’t even that old at the time in real life even though he was playing an older character in the film.)

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1972 Second place. I’ve never got the full story on his boycotting that ceremony. Did he say stuff in advance that that is why he wouldn’t be attending?

1973 I’d say second if there wasn’t lingering resentment from the year before. He did win the Globe so that helped. Nicholson was probably his closest competition. I’m not sure if Redford was really considered more than just a pretty face at this time. It is sort of surprising he got in ahead of Paul Newman but I’m guessing having The Sting and The Way We Were in the same year probably helped. I always thought Brando’s inclusion was to show how much integrity they have as voters—even though you made a mockery of our show we say we vote for the best acting so we’ll still include you. (Kind of like what they did with George C. Scott.)

1974 Carney is an one of the oddest wins ever. He was a TV star without much film work. I think Nicholson and Pacino split the younger vote and the older academy members went for Carney. So he was second or third.

1975 Definitely second place. Could have won had Cuckoo’s Nest not been such a sweeper.

1979 Last place. He really got in on the basis of the one famous speech. The rest of the movie is sort of bland.

1990 I’d say third behind Pesci and Bruce Davison.

1992 Probably 4th or 5th even since people were voting for him in lead.

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Mickmack wrote:

Ray Liotta should have won for Goodfellas!

So strange he wasn’t even nominated (nor at the Globes either.)

He was even a bit overdue after having been omitted for Something Wild a few years before.

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I wonder if Gaga hadn’t won for American Horror Story if she would have won for A Star is Born. Interesting to think how that would affected SAG. Without the Globe boost Close probably would not have gained traction. Colman vs. Gaga I guess.

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Riley wrote:

Navigating this site admittedly can be tricky for newbies, but you have have written hundreds of articles for us over the last several years.

https://www.goldderby.com/odds/combined-odds/golden-globes-film-2019/

Gee Riley you are so nice in person…I guess babypook is right. I’ll err on the side of sarcasm in the future.

For other people wondering it looks like if you go to your name and then prediction accuracy (not past predictions as I was doing) you can see the past results. Live and learn I guess. Never noticed that link before.

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Riley wrote:

If only there were a way to check…
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Is there a way to check? I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or wishful.

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Dennis El Mar wrote:

Can we please just bring back last year’s acting winners presenting individually to winners of the opposite gender? I hate how they doubled up last year on the Leading categories and left the Supporting categories to random A-listers.

I like that tradition too.

Last year’s winners aren’t exactly A-List draws (I guess Rami has a following but the other three not so much) I have a feeling they might try to pair them up again to free up categories for bigger stars.

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JGibson wrote:

What is Hollyood thing that they hate giving young actors top billing or lead placement? Will the older actors get hurt or something? Geeez

they give Kevin Hooks “introducing” credit after Tyson and Winfield (but before the rest of the cast.)

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Maggie Smith was a last minute replacement for Katharine Hepburn who dropped out for some reason.

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Minelli used to joke in her act about how she went to a psychic or something and the women looked at her and said Diana Ross. Don’t know if Ross’ campaign was that strong or it just made a better joke.

Was there any talk of putting Tyson in supporting?

I just saw Tyson the other day speak (as I said in the other thread.)

She mentioned how Paul Winfield was supposed to have top billing but when they got to the final cut his role came out so much smaller that they moved her up. She felt awkward about it but Winfield calmed her down and said it was the right thing to do.

Tyson making history probably got hurt with Ross taking some of those votes. Plus I don’t think Tyson was that big of a star really whereas Liza was Hollywood royalty on a second nomination. Plus her film overperformed even pulling off the shocking Fosse win.

I’d guess it went:

Minelli
Tyson
Ross
Ullman
Smith

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Jean Smart was trending last night on twitter. Is she a possible Golden Globe nominee? People really seemed to like her last night. (I haven’t been watching–no HBO.)

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