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Jays wrote:

Stone, one of the worst winners this decade, over Affleck, one of the best – if not the best – – winners this decade. Lol okay.

I was thinking in terms of the #metoo scandal and how that would affect voting.

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I doubt it will get any acting nominations but if it does I’d say Ian McKellen stands the best chance. That role has some meaty material for an actor.

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ENGLAND wrote:

Kathy Bates should have won 2 Lead Oscars in the 90s. One for Misery and one for Dolores Claiborne.

Dolores Claiborne was supposed to be a big fall release in 1994 but got pushed back to 95 when they were unhappy with it. I think in 94 she’d have had a much better chance at a nomination.

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I hope Stephen Root and Patrica Clarkson are both nominated and win. (The performances were great but also because they both came to our Gold Derby Emmy season kick off party and they were both so cool and nice to talk to. Clarkson even climbed the hill from the parking lot in 4 or 5 inch heels. That’s dedication!)

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Dan Jo wrote:

I read that she was filming Terms of Endearment at that time thus her absence.

Winger also had a terrible time making Officer and a Gentlemen (producers calling her fat etc.) that I think she was somewhat ambivalent about being nominated for that film. She probably could have flown in from the Terms set if she really wanted to since it was filmed in the middle of the country but I don’t think she wanted to support a film that had been so awful to make. (there’s a Barbara Walters interview on youtube where she discusses that film.)

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1982 with Lange, Garr, Close, Stanley and Warren is pretty perfect. Anyone of them deserved an Oscar. (yes, even Lange. I like her performance in Tootsie even if she really won for Frances she still did a nice job in Tootsie.)

I like 1979 too with Streep and Candice Bergen standing out but the others all good too.

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Dressed to Kill being nominated for worst director, actor (Michael Caine) and actress (Nancy Allen)—–that’s a pretty great movie.

Shelley Duvall worst actress for The Shining–nah. She was awesome.

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I just saw Beale Street yesterday. With all the hype and awards I guess I was just expecting more. King hardly has any big moments in the film. Olivia Colman should have won here and then Glenn could have won lead.

For best supporting actress in Beale Street I would have voted for the religious mother in law. She was pretty great.

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I’d say Music of the Heart is the only one that she didn’t deserve. The Post and Florence Foster Jenkins were ok but I wouldn’t have complained if they found other nominees those years.

I’d also give her a nomination for Plenty in 1985 but she was ineligible because she was already getting one for Out of Africa.

Music of the Heart did have one big Oscar bait scene where she’s telling a mother how her kid’s face lights up when he plays the violin. They played that scene on TV and radio all through Oscar season and I think that’s what got her the nomination. Sometimes you only need one moment. (For instance Cate Blanchett probably got the nomination for the second Elizabeth movie based on that ” I command the wind” moment which was another one that was played endlessly.) Interesting tidbit: Madonna was cast in that role in Music of the Heart first but dropped out and Meryl took over. I bet Madonna was a bit upset on Oscar nomination day.

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Aunt Peg wrote:

I don’t mean to derail the thread but I’ll never understand how Mia Farrow got overlooked for Broadway Danny Rose, The Purple Rose of Cairo & Alice. She was excellent in all her films with Woody Allen but they were all top shelf Oscar bait. I get why the wrongly snubbed her as great and deserving as she was for Rosemary’s Baby (strong year, young actress, etc) but by the 1980’s she was heading towards middle aged and stretching herself as an actress with Woody Allen and the Academy never gave her so much as a nomination, whilst plenty of other thespians in Woody Allen’s films were nominated and winning Oscars.

I thought I’d read that Frank Sinatra spread the word not to vote for her for Rosemary’s Baby. (not sure if that is true since she seemed to stay on good terms with him…maybe just after with Woody Allen, Sinatra didn’t seem so bad.) I guess she was also from TV and that was kind of a stigma back then (although Ryan O’Neal got nominated two years later and he was from Peyton Place too.)

Alice seemed like a sure thing. Purple Rose of Cairo came out in a stronger year with lots of competition so that snub seems more explainable.

Kathleen Turner is my personal winner that year and would have made one of the most inspired winners ever if she got nominated and won. But Tinsletown had a hardon for Field those days so not sure if Turner could have beaten her but who you never know. And the funny thing is hardon was gone the moment Field won and gave that speech. Btw Turner also deserved nom for Serial Mom. Probably my favorite performance of hers.
As for Mia Farrow, she was Cameron Diaz of 80s. Academy has never been fond of her even though her performances in Rosemary’s Baby, Broadway Danny Rose, The Purple Rose of Cairo and Alice were so deserving.

Field was certainly the Oscar darling in 1979 but in between Norma Rae and Places in the Heart she did suffer a snub for Absence of Malice which she was expected to be nominated for. She’s actually pretty good in Absence of Malice. It is the one time she played an unlikable character. She kind of goes up and down in her appeal to the Academy.

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Elazul wrote:

While I agree Spacek didn’t have much to do in The River, Redgrave is more of a supporting role in my book as there is another female character who is way more prominent throughout.

I guess it was just a bad year for female roles all around, even the other Golden Globe comedy nominees are kinda lackluster like Shelley Long.

I haven’t seen The Bostonians in a long time. Redgrave could have had a smaller role but I guess in the 80’s big stars went in lead and lesser knowns in supporting. I haven’t seen Shelley Long in Irreconcilable Differences in a long time either but I’d sort of like to knowing now that it is about Peter Bogdanovitch/Polly Platt and Sharon Stone I guess is playing Cybil Shepard. It was kind of a behind the scenes look at the making of The Last Picture Show and the affair that broke up that marriage but it got caught up in the gimmick of the kid divorcing her parents. I kind of remember Shelley Long actually being pretty good in the film.

I also thought Mia Farrow should have been nominated for Broadway Danny Rose. That was such a transforming performance. She’d never played a role even close to that before.

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DramaKing wrote:

Lange was offered both Places in the Heart and The River, she chose to develop and produce a story about current day farmers. I love her performance in Country, but I often wonder how she would have done with Places in the Heart? Would she have won her 2nd Oscar so early?

I like Kathleen Turner more in Romancing the Stone than I do in her Oscar nominated turn in Peggy Sue Got Married. I never found her convincing in that role and the movie was a bore.

Lange seems too sophisticated for Places in the Heart. That character is really someone who never really had to take care of herself beyond that era’s housewife responsibilities. The whole movie is about Field learning to take care of her family and even run the farm. Lange would have seemed too strong imo. You’d know she could handle running a farm at the beginning.

I wonder if Meryl Streep turned down Places in the Heart. Robert Benton had made her a star with Kramer Versus Kramer. (but then she did Still of the Night for him which is one movie she always points to when asked if she ever gave a bad performance.)

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anyone have a link to the ballots? I can’t seem to find them.

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Sam_Malone wrote:

I don’t think so. Today’s Academy’s make-up might have given Turner a nomination and a potential win but Places in the Heart was way too up the 80s Academy’s alley to not award it (I don’t think this sentence is grammatical, but you get my point).

I think her peers were never thrilled with Turner. She seemed cold and arrogant and to me it always felt as if they treated her that way as well. Turner was popular with critics though and for a period of time with the audience as well.

While I admit that giving Field a second oscar wasn’t all that high on the Academy’s bucket list, I suppose in retrospect people will say the same thing about Hilary Swank.

She won for a good performance in an immensely popular film, a film that seemed to have been made for the Academy.

Turner did seem to have a lot of conflicts during her career (Burt Reynolds, Nicolas Cage) and she was even threatened with a 25 million dollar lawsuit over the sequel to Romancing the Stone that she didn’t want to do. Oddly she wanted to do The Money Pit instead in Shelley Long’s role. That always seemed like a bad movie to me. Not sure why she wanted that part so much.

In 1984 though I don’t think she’d had many conflicts yet (I just finished researching her for a Top 15 films article that will publish on her birthday.)

But I agree. Places in the Heart was a big film. I think it might have even won Best Picture had Amadeus not been around. If only Sally hadn’t made that you like me speech her second Oscar probably would be looked back on much less controversially.

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Lange dropped out of The River to do Country so Sissy Spacek took over. (They were not happy with her for doing this apparently because if you watch The River you’ll notice the family farm cow that is sick at the beginning is rather disrespectfully named Jessica.)

I like Field too. She just got bad spin because of the “you like me” speech.

I saw Places on the Heart on the big screen last year and it really is a good movie and I’d say she’s the best of the five nominees. I like Turner in Stone though too so it would have been a hard choice for me.

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