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Domestic box office prospects on opening weekend is looking to be a bit of a disaster for a film whose budget is north of $200M.

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Luca wrote:

It is incredibly frustrating. It’s like they didn’t even watch dramas not named The Crown. Also, O-T Fagbenle and Madeline Brewer! I am gonna have to hope O-T brings it as Mr. Obama next year and wins for that.

I loved Elisabeth Moss this season but OT was NOT good. I’m still surprised his performance got nominated. He had the opportunity to blow it out of the park in the scenes when he first saw Moss at the camp, but all of it were just meh. Only my opinion.

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Atypical wrote:

Save it troll. This is a Primetime Emmys reactions board, and the results of the Emmys are going to be the discussed. That includes an all-white acting winners slate where no POC nominees were acknowledged. If you don’t like it, you know where the door is.

Exactly. I’m doing exactly as you said and discussing how much of a sad troll you are. Show yourself the door if you don’t like it. Good riddance. No one will miss you.

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Atypical wrote:

So scattered years when POC winners win make up for the years when they don’t? Got it. That’s not progress, and it’s not right either. Sweeps are lazy sheep mentality, and this year, there was POC talent that could have been acknowledged with wins. It didn’t have to happen. That’s the point that many have made here, which is why we’re celebrating Michaela Coel’s win and wished that it was given more of a proper showcase. Your incessant trolling won’t change my viewpoints regardless.

Scattered years? Get over yourself. People like you are not elevating minority performances. All you do is make people doubt that the credibility of minority performances are legit whenever they win, and not some patronizing woke BS win.

Go sell your racial grievances somewhere else. Direct them towards issues that have actual constructive impact on lives of discriminated communities, instead of whining about how racists Primetime Emmy Award voters are. Your outrage is predictable, boring and totally unhelpful. Your incessant trolling isn’t fooling anyone. Or changing my viewpoints either.

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K.Adams wrote:

Talking of Ingram, lol Anya didn’t even stand up when Smart won. I don’t mean to sound extra-critical but I believe when people of such legendary status win,all stand. I mean,ALL.

So what you meant to say is you don’t mean to be a biatch but you really are.

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Anirudh_Arun wrote:

I think she was just bored (I didn’t think she was disrespectful or anything of that sort, we all are human beings and we cannot fake a grin all the time) The other shows were done so dirty. Especially the Handmaid’s Tale. Ugghhh I hate such sweeps. Not that the Crown wasn’t deserving and I don’t mean to hate on it (I blame the voters) but Colman and Tobias would have made more sense last year. As the ceremony went on, the wins were getting too much.

I agree. These ceremonies go on so long and the room full of people aren’t necessarily ALL engaged at every single moment of the entire ceremony. People are basing a half second moment of Ann Dowd on camera (who could be reacting to absolutely anything at that moment) to say she’s the rudest human being on Earth. Get a life. The Handmaids Tale wasn’t even nominated in the category that Josh O’Connor won for. Even if she were plain hungry and bored at that point, could you blame her?

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24fanatic wrote:

Ultimate Final Reactions:

The Emmys need to go back to a jury panel for nominations.

I think next year with FYC events and more competition in the mix there will be less sweeps, which will be a good thing, even though those sweeps by The Crown this year and Schitt’s Creek last year weren’t undeserving.

I personally preferred Olivia Colman, so I was happy to see her win.

While its not great that no POC acting nominees prevailed, personally, the only ones that I thought were deserving of wins were Michael K Williams (who was ROBBED. Period.) and Michaela Coel (who at least won writing!).

Also, happy to see The Queen’s Gambit win Series. Sad Anya lost, but she was up against Winslet and a lot of other tough competition. Next time!

There is a reason why the Academy moved away from Jury panels. Because these panels skewed older (older members have a lot more time on their hands to watch all the shows) and the substantially smaller size of the panels led to consistently same sets of repeat nominees over and over and over again, giving no room for new shows to make their way in until an old show ends or gets cancelled.

If “sweeps” aren’t an issue, and for the most part, most of the winners in the “sweeps” are well-deserved, Why fix a problem that doesn’t exist so that you can bring back problems that were major issues in the past? People have short memories. Just keep fixing silo problems with short term solutions that lead to more and more problems. Very soon, these awards will go the way of the BAFTAs, which is to have tiny panels in the nominating committee whose MANDATE is to make sure every race and gender is represented in the nominations, so that every demographic and race and color and gender and creed under the sun is happy. (Oh wait… I think there were still lots of unhappy people over the BAFTA film nominations this year with the omission of well deserved performances. Yawn.)

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Victor wrote:

Did I say that? When?

Oh. Sorry. That was lorelai_lor whose original post I disagreed with and replied to. My reply that you found “boring”. Sorry for mistaking that to be you and sorry for being “boring”.

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Victor wrote:

This is boring now, no they don’t think like that
No one looked at Tobias Menzies or Olivia Colman and said “Wow, they are way more deserving than MJ Rodriguez and MKW”
They just followed the sweep train.

I thought a moment ago, you were just saying that MJ and MKW lost because the Emmys people didn’t care for diversity or giving minority actors any opportunity. So now MJ and MKW lost because it’s a sweep train instead?

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forwardswill wrote:

Does it need to be? No. Is it a shame that it was able to use a weak year to sweep? Yes. Plus, and I’m going to veer into territory you guys aren’t gonna like now, but when two of your wins are a queen that lacks gravitas and a strained, weak Margaret Thatcher then the “competition wasn’t there” line doesn’t quite cut it for me. As mentioned last night, I’ll give Menzies are free pass as he was outstanding in season 3 and only let down by material in 4.

Schitt’s Creek was at least groundbreaking in its portrayal of gay relationships so that makes sense to me.

Most people don’t think the Margaret Thatcher performance was strained and weak. Including yours truly. I thought she was quite magnificent actually. And if she had been in contention last year, she would still have handily won the Emmy against Julia Garner.

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lorelei_lor wrote:

Especially after last year when they rewarded Zendaya, King, Abdul-Mateen II and made that whole speech about diversity and opportunity. Guess it only lasted one season.

Those actors won last year not because the voters cared about diversity, but because they genuinely thought those performances were the best in their respective categories last year. Giving minority actors patronizing consolation prizes just because they are minority actors is actually quite offensive. So get over it.

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forwardswill wrote:

Where did I say otherwise? I was glad for O’Connor (even if he pales in comparison to Porter) as he’s been my runner-up for both of his seasons. My point was more that I can understand someone being like “ugh The Crown, again” last night given that it didn’t deserve to be a record breaker. I’m surprised to see resistance to my comment tbh. Surely no one here thinks season 4, as good as it was, to be an all-time great season of television?

Because voters don’t vote based on whether it’s the all-time greatest season of television. Nor should they. Their job is simple. Which show or performance they think is the best in each category in each year. You may quibble against their selections, like I think Olivia Colman is the weakest link of all of tonight’s winners, but there have been other undeserving record breaking shows aplenty, like the most awarded single episode in history on Boardwalk Empire, or the most awarded season ever on the underwhelming final season of Game of Thrones. The Crown Season 4 is hardly the least of them.

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iWantTheGold wrote:

Call me in 10 years when everyone’s forgotten Mare of Easttown even exists and The Queen’s Gambit is still a classic. They blew it.

Call me in 15 years when no one did. Just because you said they blew it doesn’t mean they did. Just because you are a psychic doesn’t mean… you are a good psychic 😂

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GODlore wrote:

While I do get where you are coming from, that’s a very false equivalence imo. Someone who is very much not into heteronormative stuff and openly supports things that challenge it (contrary to Couverture, the chest binder thing was a big talking point, at least in my community) is not really comparable to the person who says she leads an actively heterosexual lifestyle for example. Might be just me but I wasn’t even aware of the Gillian thing.

There are still levels of queerness that people find acceptable. That’s partly why I found Porter’s win so significantly huge and groundbreaking.

Do not think Corrin lost or Colman won necessarily because of this alone but I can see where the point originally came from.

Also, three cis straight white men winning is not how you wanna go about arguing against any existing biases lol.

Most voters couldn’t care less. It’s people who overthink these things and make it into a big deal everytime someone they predict to win fail to win. All I can say is, neither Billy Porter nor MJ Rodriguez deserved to win this year and it has nothing to do with a homophobic or gender-biased Academy. And you may indulge and talk yourself into a corner as to why Emma Corrin, and by extension, Evan Rachel Wood in the past, and maybe Kristen Stewart in the future, won’t win because they came out as queer or bisexual.

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Manav wrote:

And Julianne Moore won EMMY Best Actress in a Limited Series and TV Movie for wearing yellow.